Thursday, July 28, 2005

WILKINS REBUKED THE BLAZERS



950, KJR'S Locked on Sports has learned that Damien Wilkins turned down a $16 million dollar deal from the Portland Trailblazers. Therefore, there must be another team that is offering Wilkins a big money contract.
The popular opinion around the league is that Atlanta may turn to Wilkins. The Hawks have made inroads to Joe Johnson, but the Suns have altered their roster to make sure they can pay Johnson what offer sheet he receives.
The Sonics are positing themselves to make sure they can match offers to Wilkins.

64 comments:

Anonymous said...

wilkins would be a lot cheaper than joe johnson. atlanta sure has a lot of 6-6 to 6-9 players. jerry west collected a lot at memphis and it doesnt seem to have panned out as hoped. i assume atlanta are considering trading some. but maybe they are going to try to play small without a couple of these guys (marvin williams and josh smith) playing some at power forward? cant get any worse i guess.

Anonymous said...

harrington played about 40% of his time at pf last year but it sounds like he is also headed out the door like antoine walker did. when will they settle on a core? probably only after they change the front office dramatically.

Diezel said...

Jerry Bembrey of ESPN was on all night with Todd Wright a couple of nights ago and reported Al Harrington is rumored to be on the move to the Pistons for Darko. Why would the Sonics not go after Al Harrington?? he's kind of a poor mans Ron Artes physical defender and a nightmare matchup on the offensive end. I think a Reggie Evans for Al Harrington would be a great trade as woule be Al for Vlade. Atlanta must be on crack if they offer Damien more than 16 mill. Oh yeah doesn't uncle Dominique work in the front office talk about conflict of interest or collusion. I wonder if he talked to Damien before July 1, the Soncis should look into that angle. Maybe it's like the T wolves Joe Smith situation. I mean the backup 1/2 situation is looking really gloom right about now. I thnik our focus should turn now to either a sign and trade involving either Vlade or Reggie. Or what do people think of either Gerald Wallace or Kareem Rush??? they probably can be had for the mid level which is like 4-5 mill or I know people will probably kill me on this one but how about Dan Dickau or Casey Jacobsen, gives us a little more outside shooting but I like the first two's athletisism a bit more though. Locke u were right when u told elise last night that yor website/blog page is HOT right now people are bringing it. I never knew how passionate Seattle sports fans really were. The first thing I do when I come to work is check your page, then my man Chad Ford on espn insider. Keep the blog on fire.

Anonymous said...

i like gerald wallace. versatile.

chad ford is leaving to be a professor in hawaii on international conflict resolution.
has a law degree. being a prof is a softer gig, less vocal backtalk.

and yeah this site has come alive. and thanks david for participating more in the ongoing discussions of your topics and giving props to the growing number of contributors for their adds.

Lance Uppercut said...

I don't think Evans or Vlade for harrington would get it done. Darko hasn't shown much yet, but I think being young and over 7 foot make him a much sweeter prospect. BTW Diezel, your boy Chad Ford is leaving ESPN to be a professor at BYU-Hawaii.

Jack W said...

Atlanta is stacked at the 2 and 3 postions. That wouldn't make a lot of sense. Hawks and sense haven't gone well together, so maybe it'll happen.

I want Wilkins back, but I would have to draw the line at 3.6 mil/yr. I understand it's a stretch, but at some point the Sonics might have to pay more than they're were orginally prepared to do.

Wallace, Rush, and Dickau are okay players and may be upgrades over last year's bench. I would hope the Sonics could do better than those three. I'm going to guess that Jaric, Jones, and Watson won't be coming to the Sonics either. What about Brevin Knight? He has a height defiency, but makes up for it with his ball-handling, distribution, and defense.

Locked on Sports said...

I just added a post 4 down on the main page that is a numbers way to evaluate offensive players.

Locked on Sports said...

Sonics might be willing to do a Harrington or Radmanovic deal. Harrington only has one year left on his deal and is a terrific complimentary player.

Sonic EJ said...

I have always thought Brevin Knight is very under rated.

He would be a smart, cost effective signing.

Biggie said...

sonic ej is a moron, Brevin Knight??? Do you even watch hoop??? Al Harrington is awesome, hell yeah I'd give up Vlade in a hot second to get my hands on Harrington, shit I wanted him years ago when he left Indy. Brevin Knight, I mean c'mon that has got to be the dumbest suggestion ever, Go sit in the corner for saying something so stupid!!!!!!

Biggie said...
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Sonic EJ said...

Who (not named Harrington) do you want, Black?

Diezel said...

To all blogers... That website that David links to hoopshype.com is a good site lots of FA info. According to the Miami sun the Heat are eyeing Toine' walker so I think Seattle might be out of the running. Miami would have Shaq,D Wade, Toine, Udonis Haslem, and maybe Damon jones. Also the fact that Keyon dooling signed for 3 years 10 are the Sonics even in the mix for any of these guys, one good thing is Chris Duhon is still shopping arond according to his agent but John Paxson has publicly stated they(Bulls) are going to match any offer that there restricted freee agents get, so I am assuming he was speaking of Tyson, Curry, Duhon, Pargo so as much as I would love Chandler also I think that one is a lost cause. Another head scratcher is Clevland is looking to sign either Damon Jones or Earl Watson, another Clevland signign what is that this off season 4 moves to the Sonics 1 and we both had the same ammount of cap room whats up with this????? Anybody want to bring Doug Christie back I read Orlando is either going to cut him or trade him??? There was also a article about the Olympic team Ray pretty much killed any chances of making the team when he made those idiotic comments about they(multi millonaire NBA players getting paid for the olympics) I like Ray but that was really a classless statement from such a classy guy. People the free agent market is drying up..... Is everyone happy with the potential of Dale Davis being our only signing. Bring back the REIGN instead. I bet we get stuck picking up some garbage like Dajuan Wagner or something. If they are going to bring back Flip which it is looking more likely than not right now, we have to focus then on getting another big how about Steven Hunter of Phoenix he did decent backing up Amare at times and he's only 24 not a card carrying member of aarp like Dale Davis or how about Darius Songalia from Sac???? I agree with locke u need to go to Ric or Wally personally and start pumping up Muarice Evans I think he would be a nice affordable fit.

Garrett said...

All I know is that I cringe at the thought of Murray as the Sonics backup point. Lots of dribbling, a few nice finishes and not enough passing. The offence always seems to bog down when he is in the game.

Biggie said...
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Biggie said...

Oh yeah Gerald Wallace would be an awesome pick-up too. That kid can ball, I loved him in Sac!!!

kel said...

Diezel -- I totally agree with you on Steven Hunter. How come no one is talking about this guy? He runs the floor well for a big man and would fit good in our spread-the-floor offense - Davis will need a wheelchair to get up and down the floor. With Hunter, we'd have three young (18-24) 7 footers, and if even one of them developed into a legit starter who can clog the middle and block shots, we'd have hit the jackpot.

Biggie said...

yo diezel, I read your comments from yesterday after I left the blog. Didn't mean to make you cry homie. LOL I like alot of white boys in the NBA I just think that the ones from the U.S. are trash, sorry, but this is america, my poeple built this country from the ground up and I'll say what I like after all this is america and every member of my family including myself have fought for this biatch. And as for 50cent, at least he's not elvis2000 like your boy eminem!!! LOL

Biggie said...

But anyways back to sports, I love radmanovic and hope we can keep him, wilkins too. also (don't tell anyone) I like nick and think he's got great hustle. Peace my caucasian peoples, this is Seattle so I realize I'm outnumbered. Basically I would love to see some diversity on KJR I mean is it too much to ask that you have a hispanic, asian, or african american person with their own show??? Sorry if that's too radical for some of you too grasp.

P2thaSmitty said...

Get the Reign Man... at least invite him to camp and make him sign an incentive filled contract that pays very little from the start. That way we lose nothing if he gives us nothing.

Harrington, Hunter, and M. Evans are all quality options IMHO. But I'd make an effort for the Reign Man over any of them, because he can tutor our rookie centers better than anyone. Fortson should inspire them to be more aggressive and more dominating, like he did for the rest of this team last season, but having Fortson and Kemp both acting as "physical" leaders would go a long way for our youngins...

This is a fringe idea, but for a few reasons I think we should pursue Tre Simmons and Will Conroy for backup SG/PG duties. They are competent, and shouldn't lose us any games, although they may not win any either. But they both shoot the three well, Simmons VERY well, which fits our offensive style, and Conroy is a good ballhandler to suffice while Luke takes a breather. But the biggest contribution?? These are local boys in the sense of HS ball and college ball, and will bring in more butts to fill seats. They will cost very little, and they will benefit the team financially more than most anyone else we could sign. For a team in financial troubles, they are a very economical choise, who should maybe even be able to stick around for a while.

As for Brevin Knight, if his price tag isn't too high, he would actually be a very good option (sorry Black, but I have to disagree with you). He's a very good ball handler with a good assist:TO ratio, which is more than we need to backup Luke for 10-15 minutes a game. Really, lets be honest, for a backup PG player, all we need is someone who will pass the ball efficiently and not turn the ball over. Any added offense is just a bonus. And for a backup we really shouldn't be paying more than about 2.5M/yr... and that kind of player should be a decent proven backup. There's no need to go overboard there... not with the financial situation of this team.

Biggie said...

It's all good Smitty, no need for the apology that's your opinion. I love the conroy/simmons idea. That would be phat. BRING BACK THE REIGNMAN!!! I think Conroy would take Lukes job in under a year. He was a much better point in the Pac. LONG LIVE THE KEMPSTER.

P2thaSmitty said...

In response to Black, it's either Radman or Wilkins, not both, unless we plan on a sign and trade with one of them. On the +/- side of things, Radman has proven to do more for this team overall, but Wilkins didn't get much of a chance last season to show how much of a real effect he can have for an extended period of time. But what he did show is sticky defense, neverending hustle, a good eye for shots, not to mention a high % when shooting in most games, and he normally would back off of shots in games when he wasn't making them (unlike Flip the Flopper). But if he's asking too much, then he's simply too much of a risk for a team that shouldn't be taking financial risks right now. Radman on the other hand is an expensive risk too (injury and possible bad attitude if he doesn't start), so Wilkins may actually be a lesser risk overall.

My vote, a sign Radman, then trade him before the deadline to Milwaukee for Gadzuric. They have Bogut to work with Pachulia and Booth at center, and can use a good SF. By mid-season they can probably do without Gadzuric, and will be motivated to get help at SF. It seems like a logical move, if any sign and trade will happen.

Also, Black, I agree that KJR and much of Seattle's basketball related organizations lack racial diversity. I don't think they exactly do it on purpose, but we could certainly use more diversity. At least we still have Romar at UW.

kel said...

Hey black, I was right in line with everything you said until you stated Conroy was a much better Pac-10 guard than Ridnour. What the #@?*&#!??? Yeah, Conroy was a very good guard but if you are going to call him "much better" than Luke, who was a two-time Pac-10 fist-teamer and Pac-10 Player of the Year in the regular season AND tournament in 2003, well I want some of whatever your smokin.

Yeah, I agree on the (lack of) diversity at KJR. I can't remember if they did it this year, but the two previous years they had Groz host thier black history month special along with their one black on-air personality -- I can't remember his name but he was on for like 2 hours one Saturday a month. Anyway, the word "token" came to mind. At least they got a female presence in Elsie, which makes my wife a bit more accepting of Sports Radio in the home.

Lance Uppercut said...

I'm in total agreement with P2thaSmitty regarding Rid v.s Conroy in college, and I've got some numbers to back it up. In the last 2 years of Rid's collge career he had FGP of .468 and .432. Conroy's were .450 and .456. Rid's 3 point percantages were a staggering .441 and .382 to Conroy's .316 and .303. Rid had 176 and 218 assists to Conroy's 142 and 219 (though Conroy's assist/turnover ratio was slightly better). Rid's steals: 58 and 63. Conroy's steals: 20 and 27. If this were it, you could say that they were pretty close, with a slight edge going to Rid, but when you consider that Rid's points per game were 15.5 and 19.7 to Conroy's 12.3 and 9.4, it becomes pretty obvious who the better college player was. It should also be noted that Rid left as a junior, while Conroy played all 4 years. If Rid would have stayed for his senior season, he would have been a serious canidate for the Wooden.

Biggie said...

SEE WE HAVE SOME EDUCATED POEPLE IN THIS BURG, THAT'S A GREAT THING, I LIKE THAT. I AGREE SMITTY WE SHOULD GET RADMAN OUT BUT WE NEED TO KEEP WILKINS HIS PLAY IN THE PLAYOFFS WAS JUST AWESOME. FLIP CAN GO, CONROY IS BETTER THAN RIDNOUR IMHO. YEAH AT LEAST THEY HAVE ELISE BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF ELISE WAS KIESHA. LOL

Locked on Sports said...

Black -- Love having you on the board but can you keep the langugue radio clean. I want kids to be able to access and I have to try to keep it radio clean. Thanks.

Diezel said...

Kel.. I am pretty sure the guy you are talking about is Francis Willams who has Seattles prep scene on lock. black and if u listened yesterday Tiffany Warner of Nightime playaz was doing traffic updates yesterday that don't count?? and what about HOOCHIE MAMA?? I agree a little diversity would be nice. And as much as I hate the ducks, being a loyal dog even I can admit Luke was a way better player in college than Will. The NBA might be a different story I think Will has a better NBA body, he is a bulldog defensively and when the game is on the line, will is big game. His three is improving and from starting as a walk on to basically along with Nate the best backcourt in UDub history.

Biggie said...

Too the Romar comment. Yes I agree it is a great thing. BUT, do you realize that in this year 2005, the UW is one of the only schools in this country that has a black head football and basketball coach?? That is a travesty, it makes me ashamed, that in this day and age organizations (division 1 schools) who make so much money from their athletics programs which are mostly comprised of young black men, that we are a rare thing here at the UW, with black men in head coaching positions, frankly this is so damn sad to me, thanks for your time. PEACE.

Biggie said...

Tifanny Warner is on KUBE fool. And They all should be black, have you heard the music they play??????????? I can't believe Eric Powers has the job he has, but his mommy and daddy DO own the station. I feel sorry for you diezel, and you know your hoops too. so sad.

Diezel said...

black... u are so uniformed if u knew kube and kjr are both clear channel stations hence why tiffany warner was doing traffic reports yesterday if u don't beleive me just call the station.

Anonymous said...

eminem is the owner of 50 cent, isn't he? i mean 50 is eminem's protege under shady/aftermath records.

P2thaSmitty said:

'My vote, a sign Radman, then trade him before the deadline to Milwaukee for Gadzuric. They have Bogut to work with Pachulia and Booth at center, and can use a good SF. By mid-season they can probably do without Gadzuric, and will be motivated to get help at SF. It seems like a logical move, if any sign and trade will happen.'

wtf?! gadzuric? please. you can get way more talent than dan gadzuric out of UCLA for radmanovic. i don't even need to argue how retarded of trade idea that is. the sonics would get raped in that trade.

race, the color of skin, nor a person's creed should effect how people should judge players. it's ridiculous after reading these uneducated posts.it's like you idiots are talking straight from your asses. don't waste people's time by posting that garbage. I just hope that mr. locke would delete some of that crap, as a minority i think it's plain stupid to have to read some black guy diss white players or some white dude taunt some black dude or whatever. You kids are i-d-i-o-t-s

grey said...

word

Biggie said...

Dre "owns" them both, sorry. so what clear channel owns them both are you saying that a traffic report is enough to satisfy the diversity issues at KJR?? WOW!!!

kel said...

No Diezel, I wasn't talking about Francis Williams -- I think I now recall it was (Rick?) Dupree. I don't think he's been around for quite a while. Sorry I forgot to give props to the Hoochie Mama.

And even though I'm a duck and Luke's my man, I dig Conroy and would to love to have him coming off the bench and bodying up opposing guards.

Diezel said...

Hey if u want a good laugh scroll down and read some of Lockes mock draft boards for this years draft, and some of his guys on the rise.. I know it's not an exact science but it's funny none the less. And he said that the Spurs promised some Frech Power Forward they were gonna draft him I am assuming this is Petro. So the Spurs were gonna basically sit the guy on the bench behind Tim,Nazi,Rasho,and Big game Rob, for the next 2-3 years and this guys actually probably at this point is our backup center??? and is much love as you all give Wally and Ric last year they drafted Andre Emmett and traded him but could have had either Trevor Ariza(Udub kller) or Chris Duhon. Then the year before they draft Robert Smith(Swift) instead of Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson, Kris Humphries, Josh and JR Smith, Jammer Nelson, Delonte West, Tony Allen, David Harrison, and Beno Udrich.

Biggie said...

Diezel, I take it back, awesome post dude, awesome post. Hindsight is 20/20 but the supes always do that kind of garbage. DOWN with WALLY WALKER, BRING BACK KEMP!!!!!

Biggie said...

I'm sorry ya'll, I'll get off the subject of race. It's just that I'm from the 206, born and raised since '76. I'm a long time KJR listener, and I believe that sports is quite diverse right? So why can't the people who talk about it on the radio reflect it? I harbor no ill will towards any one ( some of my best friends are white. LOL :)) I hope that the supes pick up at least Conroy that would be so nice, look to show that I truly bury the hatchet, Luke and Will can split the point. Happy?? Peace and love folks.

grazhasgas said...

stupid

grazhasgas said...

when can we just judge people by their talent rather then say oh this person is black,yellow,gray,brown so they should get a job there. If someone comes along and is able to the job better then anyone else they should get the job period no matter what their color. Step into the 21 century.

Biggie said...

THE SAME CENTURY THAT SEES 1 DIVISION ONE SCHOOL WITH A BLACK HEAD BASKETBALL AND FOOTBALL COACH??? IS THAT THE CENTURY OF WHICH YOU SPEAK??

Biggie said...

SO THERE ARE 5 HEAD COACHES THAT ARE BLACK IN DIV 1 FOOTBALL, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE OTHER 100 OR SO ARE BETTER THAN A BLACK COACH?? WOW, YOU GUYS MUST BE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL GENIUSES, PLEASE TELL US HOW WE SHOULD PLAY GAMES WE DOMINATE WE WOULD BE TERRIBLE IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU. HOW CAN WE EVER REPAY YOU??? LOL

Jack W said...

Smitty-

"My vote, a sign Radman, then trade him before the deadline to Milwaukee for Gadzuric. They have Bogut to work with Pachulia and Booth at center, and can use a good SF. By mid-season they can probably do without Gadzuric, and will be motivated to get help at SF. It seems like a logical move, if any sign and trade will happen."

That would not work for the Bucks. Thay have D.Mason and will sign B.Simmons very shortly. The Bucks have a decent team.

Biggie said...

C YA'LL 2MORROW.

kel said...

C'mon Grazhasgas, Black had just settled down and you had to go and rile him back up again! LOL

Yes, we do live in the 21 century and we can all say that the best man (or woman) should get the job no matter what their color, but as Black's numbers indicate, it seems like there is a long way to go before that is a reality. At least up here in NW I-5 corridor (with Romar, Willingham, Nate and Ernie Kent -- and recently departed Mo Cheeks) we seem to be a bit ahead of the curve.

Sorry guys, but the only time you'll see Kemp in the Key anytime soon is if he's handing you a beer from behind the counter. Hey Man Child -- Beer me!

P2thaSmitty said...

Jack W,
Even with Mason and Simmons, who can both play SG as well as SF, they would gladly take a guy who swings between SF and PF who drains threes. Yes, they have Redd to shoot threes too, but Radman would be a nice addition to share time at PF with Smith, who is an average guy at doing a lot of stuff, but is profficient at nothing. Plus, Radmanovic would be a step up over Smith or Mason in a some big ways. He would find his PT.

The main thing is that once Bogut shows he can start, Gadzuric will be very tradable.

And "Anonymous",
If you don't see the untapped upside in Gadzuric, then you need to look harder. He's got a lot to offer whatever team he plays for, and is almost entering his prime. We should get him before he can ask top dollar, if at all possible. I was saying the same thing all season about him and Dalembert, mostly because they both hadn't hit their ceiling yet and would garner big contracts soon, plus they would both be FAs. If we were smart we would have traded for one of them last season. Anyway, there's a reason they call the man Gadzilla:

22 min/game averaging:
8.3 reb
1.3 blk
1 TO
7.3 pts
and a 53.9 FG%

Take all the centers out there, and project their stats to 40 minutes of PT, for an even playing field, and he's way up there with the big contract guys, and he's theoretically attainable for a lot less. Here, at 40 minutes: about 15 reb, 2.3 blk, 1.8 TO, and 13 pts. Find me a center worth double his contract or less and can project their stats to those at 40 minutes, without fouling out of a game (Gadzuric only has an average of 5 at 40 min). Anyway, you'll be hard pressed to find a better deal, nonetheless a guy who hasn't even topped out yet.

Jack W said...

Smitty-

I'm for nearly any trade that would send Radmanovic and bring us back a big man that can play. But, the Bucks would be one of the last teams to do this trade. They have three high-priced 2/3 players(Redd/Mason/Simmons). That means they have to divide up 96 minutes (32 min/player) between those players since they can't play the 1/4/5. In addition, they may sign Toni Kukoc for whatever reason. If they sign Pachulia they'll have at least four centers on the roster. Most likely, you'll see Bogut backup J.Smith at PF. Last year they had K. Van Horn(Radmanovic clone) and I'm pretty sure they don't want him back. While Radmanovic may have value for the Bucks in that he's a better 3 pt shooter than their bigs, this wouldn't make the team better. Maybe, if Radmanovic was a PG, but I don't think you would argue that point.

Anonymous said...

Black,

how come you're still blogging? I thought you were fed up with KJR being racist? You said you were no longer going to blog on Locke's website. Anyway, have you got up off your chair to help the inner city kids do well in school so that they can go to college and become great doctors, lawyers, or businesspeople? I hope that you have black because the more you disrespect people who have helped other people like Lance Armstrong, the more you prove to me that African Americans are more about "what have you done for me lately" than what can I do to better myself so that I can contribute to my community?" As a fellow brother we have to start making our world better instead of continuing to use being black as a crutch. Being an African American is not only about being proud but also doing what we can to further our cause just as Dr. King would have wanted. Make peace black, not hate.

AK1984 said...

Regarding the Milwaukee Bucks: They cannot immediately trade Dan Gadzuric, given that they'll have signed him to a contract this off-season. Besides, the Bucks have no need for Vladimir Radmanovic, since they've got Bobby Simmons, Desmond Mason, Michael Redd, and Jiri Welsch already plugged in at the swing positions.

Anyhow, as it concerns Radmanovic, the best idea is to sign-&-trade him to a team that is in need of a starting small forward, such as the New Orleans Hornets. As it is, Hornets' power forward P.J. Brown would be a good option for the Sonics at center, as Brown -- who is owed $16 million over the next two years -- ranked 15th in rebounds per game (9.0) & 9th in offensive rebounds per game (3.2); also, he was extremely good from the free-throw line (86.4%).

P2thaSmitty said...

ak1984,
point taken. But as to Brown, that would be a waste of Radmanovic. While Brown might contribute for the next two years, in a best case scenerio, then what? He'd be 38 years old and basically not worth much more. That's a waste of a 24 year old Radmanovic, who could bring an equally talented player that is a lot younger. Maybe Milwaukee isn't the best example of a sign and trade candidate team, but whatever we do, we need to get someone under 30 years old for him. Well, I'd like someone under 30, but a Ray Allenesque talent over 30 is nothing to roll your eyes at...

P2thaSmitty said...

Also, where the Bucks would benefit in getting Radmanovic is using him at PF, as I mentioned before, he's an upgrade over Smith. Bogut might HAVE to play some PF, but he's a center true and through. That's why Gadzuric will eventually be tradable.

AK1984 said...

Regarding Damien Wilkins: He is worth no more than a two-year contract for approximately $1.5 million -- which is roughly what Reggie Evans and Ansu Sesay have received in the past from the Sonics -- as anything more would be asinine.

Regarding Ronald Murray: He is a remarkably poor man's Allen Iverson, with way less passing skills, ball-handling prowess, tenacity, defensive ability, and overall talent; Murray reminds me of former Sonic Shammond Williams, who also sucked. At any rate, the smartest thing the Sonics could do is "flip" Murray in a sign-&-trade, while picking up a solid post-player to replace the departed Jerome James & the departing Vitaly Potapenko in return. Thus, if possible, the Sonics should sign Murray to a three-year, $9 million deal, and send him to the Denver Nuggets -- as they are reportedly interested in Murray -- for center Maybyner "Nene" Hilario, who is in the last year of his contract ($3,064,196). Additionally, if necessary, the Sonics could ship off the draft rights of German power forward Peter Fehse, French point guard Paccelis Morlende, and French small forward Mickael Gelabale to Denver as a means of sweetening the deal.

Regarding Will Conroy: He is a worse version of Chris Duhon (i.e., a point guard with decent court vision and ball-handling skills that can't shot worth a damn). His best bet is to sign on with the Yakima Sun Kings of the CBA -- or any team in the CBA, NBDL, USBL, et cetera -- 'cause he'll never make it in the NBA.

Regarding P.J. Brown: Yeah, P.J. Brown's age is of major concern. However, if possible, I'd love to the Sonics send Vladimir Radmanovic to the New Orleans Hornets and, instead of Brown, get Jamaal Magloire, 27, in return. Yet, the only way I could see that even happening -- and even this is a stretch, though, the Hornets have reportedly contemplated trading him before -- is if the Sonics included either their 2006 first-round draft pick (lottery protected), or their own 2006 & 2007 second-round draft picks in conjunction with the 2006 & 2007 second-round draft picks that hey received via Memphis back in April.

Jeremy said...

AK,

There is no way that the Nuggets are going to make that trade. In fact, they probably wouldn't even think about Radmanovich and Murray for Nene. I would love to see the Sonics make a run at Nene, but now they have resigned Ray for all their cap space, they won't have the room to go after him next offseason.

While I'd love to see Nene, we don't have the resources to get him. Let's try to keep the trade suggestions rooted in some semblance of reality.

AK1984 said...
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P2thaSmitty said...

ak,
as for Conroy, we don't need much offense from him as a backup. Really, we only need him to run the team for 10-15 minutes as a good ballhandler and passer, and let the rest of the team take it on offense and shooting. That being said, he's not god awful on offense, so I can handle him taking a shot or two in those 10-15 minutes. The benfit of getting Conroy and Simmons, however, goes deeper than all that. It's a tactic to fill backup roles AND put butts in our seats when our team is already having financial struggles. Those two already have their own local fans, not to mention family and friends, that will come to games, and it's also a good image of this team to support the local talent. There are a lot of people that don't sit here hypothesizing about their Sonics, and just want to go to a game with a date, or go with the boys and get drunk, and it helps a LOT if that team is well perceived in the community. Another possible thing is that having the combo of those two might actually help how they play and adjust to playing with this team, since they will already have a groundwork of some familiarity. Our players really united as a team last year, as friends, and it's the intangibles like that that can make a bunch of guys play like a cohesive unit. And, again, all we really need a guy like Conroy to do is run up and down the floor, not turning the ball over, and making good passes while Luke catches his breath. Simmons on the other hand can shoot the three very well, and makes a solid point scoring threat while Ray takes a breather. For their price, and considering the financial woes of this team, they make a lot of sense to me.

AK1984 said...

Regarding the reserve shooting guard position: Rather than the overrated Juan Dixon (who has been signed by Portland) or Ronald "Flip" Murray, the Sonics should go after restricted free-agent Maurice Evans, 27, who was a on-the-ball defensive stalwart off of the bench for Sacramento last year. However, it doesn't seem as if Sacramento plans to retain Evans next season, since they've got Bonzi Wells, Francisco Garcia, and Kevin Martin as the three shooting guards on their roster. In any case, Evans is worthy of a deal similar to the one that Dixon signed with Portland, which is for 3 years, $8 million. For what it's worth, Evans compares favorably to Minnesota's Trenton Hassell and San Antonio's Devin Brown. Anyhow, if the Kings were to match Seattle's offer -- that is, if the Sonics were to tender him one -- then unrestricted free-agent Jon Barry, 36, would, at a one-year deal for the veteran's minimum, be a good contingency plan when it comes to backing up Ray Allen; Barry's main skill is his three-point shooting accuracy (43%), which was ranked 7th in the NBA last season.

Regarding the reserve point guard position: Brevin Knight, a 30 year-old Stanford alumnus, is an unrestricted free-agent out of Charlotte who would be a good signing for two years at the low-level exception (2005-2006: $1.7 million & 2006-2007: $1.87 million). Alongside Luke Ridnour, Knight could play the last six minutes of each quarter and give the Sonics a solid, veteran playmaker during pressure situations at the end of games. As it was, Knight's most impressive stats last season were his assists-to-turnover ratio (4.02:1), which ranked him 1st in the NBA last season, and his steals-to-turnover ratio (.89:1), which ranked him 15th in the NBA last season.

Regarding "Nene": Once George Karl joined the Denver Nuggets as their head coach, "Nene" saw his playing time decrease; he also posted career lows in points per game (9.6), rebounds per game (5.9), assists per game (1.5), steals per game (.91), and field goal percentage (50.3%). As it was, during the final month of last season, Karl was more fond of using Francisco Elson and Eduardo Najera off of the bench at the five and four, respectively, since they are, undoubtedly, more sound defensive players. Now, I agree with you, for "Flip" is, all in all, considerably worse as than "Nene"; however, the market at shooting guard has practically run dry -- as Latrell Sprewell is the only quasi-decent guy available -- and Denver seems high on Murray. Therefore, Murray -- along with some, if not all, of the draft rights to Seattle's foreign players (i.e., Peter Fehse, Paccelis Morlende, & Mickael Gelabale) -- might, perhaps, sway the Nuggets into trading away "Nene" to Seattle.

P2thaSmitty said...

I would be happy with Brevin Knight, Jon Barry and/or Nene... I think they could each work into the scheme of things nicely.

Jeremy said...

AK,

Excellent choices for free agent pickups. I like Mo Evans like you do. I think he could flourish in the right system with the right amount of minutes. I've always been a Jon Barry guy. He's like Voshon Lenard in that he plays hard, makes smart plays and shoots lights out.

Brevin Knight is a nice savvy veteran. My brother lives in NC and got to see a lot of him play. He's surprised there isn't more buzz on him.

While Karl may have soured on Nene, Vandewege isn't going to give him away for nothing. Big men have lots of value in the league and Kiki knows that. He already turned down a sign and trade offer that had Nene going to Sacto for Mobley. If he's not taking Mobley who the Nuggets needed, he's certainly not taking Murray and guys in Europe.

It would probably take a young starting swing player and a draft pick, or they would use Nene and someone to get a superstar player in return. Realistically, the Nuggets probably need another point guard as well because Andre Miller has morphed his game into a 2 playing the 1.

Scott said...

All the talk about Conroy is nice, but he decided to go on the Lakers summer league team when the Sonics offered him a slot. I think its fair to say he'll go to camp with them and more than likely won't be coming back to Seattle anytime soon.

Locked on Sports said...

Will Conroy is a nice college player and I believe he has enough intagiables that he could make the league. However, he is just another nice college point guard. The idea that he is on par at this moment with guys in the NBA is flat out laughable.

Diezel said...

Locke... U must of read my post about Al Harrington, I couldn't agree with u more. I am pretty sure that ATL would do it for Reggie because with that plethera of 3's I think he is expendable. His offensive game is not all that, but he gives you another physical defneder and good rebounder and if u play him and Rashard together Al can defend the tougher of either the 3 or 4 allowing Rashard to concentrate on the offensive end and defensive rebounding. As far as our center position as much as I am optimistic about Roberts 7.5 boards and 1.5 blocks a game in the summer, I feel with Petro we could still use a veteran. I hate to sound like a broken record but once again where are the Sonics on some of these deals???? I mean by no means is he a superstar but why weren't they in the mix for Jake Voskul the bobcats got him for a second rounder we could of used one of the pics we got for Lawrence Roberts?? Then they tote Juan around all last weekend like a first class free agent and then they don't even offer the guy a contract, what a waste of time. LOCKE please answer this question I have posed it many times and Sonic fans need to wake up, Us and the Cavs had the same amount of cap room when the FA period started but yet they sign Z, Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall, and now they are gonna sign either Damon Jones or Earl Watson and all we have done is signed Ray??? and now the Sonics are claiming they are capped out????? give me a break. And all these people who want to break the bank for Vlade why??? if he was so wanted why has another team even made a qualifying offer for him?? He is restricted but that hasn't stopped teams from going after Joe Johnson or Michael Redd. To me he is like every Euro player a good shooter but soft as Charmin. Some guy compared him to Dirk great another good shooter who goes off on his teamates in games and in the media. and when the season is on the line defers guarding phoenix's best big in Amarie and letting Dampier get torched then he rips the guy??? Vlade to me is overated. He has high trade value though. Another head scratcher is the signing of Jack Sikam to be our number one assistant, what are his credentials??? Sonic legend and Robert Swifts workout buddy. Come on what a joke. One of the reasons Nate has succesfull was because of the great assistants he had in Dwayne Dean and yes BOb. If they bring Flip back I will be very disapointed with everyone in the Front office if u are going to spend 3- 4 millon the cost to keep him there about 10 guards we could of or are out there better than Flip. Lastly even though it's the summer Salim Stoudamire averaged 17.5 a game this summer I really think that might be a guy the Soncis missed out on, just like the guys they have passed on the last few years. As much as everyone praises Wally and Ric for there drafts if u actually research and look at the guys they passed on you might be singing another tune.

Anonymous said...

They should have drafted NATE ROBINSON!!!!!!

bIG MISTAKE FOR THE SONICS!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

walker is a good passer but he pulls a pretty modest assing rating at 82 games.

and i checked when he left boston, team assists went up. and when he went to dallas, team assists were up but are almostly totally explained by nash's own improvement of 1.5 assists per game. and the year he spent in atlanta assists were down slightly compared to the year before him.

he isnt the only factor that changed in those places of course but my point is that he seems to make a share of the assists, larger than normal for a forward, but he doesnt seem to really increase total team assists.

but i appreciate his ability to pass and it would be a reason to consider him, especially if they dont have a stong second point guard. maybe he could help run the second unit from the post some.

and lewis and radmanovic arent that much help at passing.

Anonymous said...

that should be passing rating in the first line. lol

Anonymous said...

i meant to put the walker comment in the comment section of the next higher article