Monday, July 25, 2005

DAMIEN WILKINS WILL GET AN OFFER SHEET


Updated: July 25th at 4:30 pm.
According to sources in the NBA the Portland Trailblazers will extend an offer sheet to the Sonics Damien Wilkins. Contract details are not clear, but word on the street is that deal is significant. Translation the Blazers are over paying Wilkins in order to make sure the Sonics don't match the deal. I talked with Wilkins agent on Monday and he said they have not signed anything yet and they are looking at their options.
The Sonics had Juan Dixon in town all weekend and are hoping they can get him signed. The issue is whether or not Flip Murray and Juan Dixon would be redundant. Murray is a restricted free agent.
Last season Wilkins averaged just 6 points per game in only 29 games played. In the playoffs he got extended time due to the injury to Rashard Lewis. In the playoffs he averaged 5.6 points per game in 19 minutes per game. Wilkins shot 44% from the field and 27% from three in both the regular season and the playoffs.
If the deal is substantial the Sonics should let him go.

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you, David. Wilkins is a nice player and will only get better, but if Portland is willing to overpay (again) to get him, then let him go. As for the Dixon/Flip question, I think it the Sonics should sign Dixon if they can get him regardless of what they choose to do with Murray.

Jeremy said...

These types of deals is where teams get themselves into trouble. Overpaying for moderately successful NBA players can ruin a teams chances to be competitive.

While I enjoyed Wilkens play last year, much like Richie Frahm's play the year before, reserve swing players are relatively easy to find.

The Sonics found Wilkens in their summer league last year. The Sonics should call Jawad Williams if he hasn't already been signed by another team. IMO, he would give just as much as Wilkens did last year.

david said...

I agree with everyone here. Wilkins is a nice player who played well in the playoffs but it will be hard to convince me that signing a 9th or 10th man off the bench to a lucerative deal is a good move. There's plenty of role players available who can replace what Wilkins brought to the table.

Sign Dixon and deal with Flip later, that's my take.

Anonymous said...

Is it just me or does Portland really have like 75 players all playing the same position at the guard spot? I can't really see this being a big help especially with an inflated price tag. Let him go be with Nate at least they can mire in failure together.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Nate.

He is a really good player though, but not obviously not worth a significant amount of money...Great defender, can hit the open shot and can finish around the rim.

Damn.

Anonymous said...

I agree. You don't match if it's a significant deal. However, Nate's pissing me off stealing one of our bright young players. I'm beginning to really not like Mr. McMillan anymore.

Not that it's a new concept. I've learned to not like Ken Griffey Jr, Alex Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Joey Galloway, and the list goes on. Nate's the newest to the Seattle traitor list.

Lance Uppercut said...

The anonymous poster who mentioned that the Blazers have "75 players at the guard position" is either misinformed or stupid. The Blazers have 2 PG with a total of 1 year NBA experiance, Derek "I can't play becuase my teeth hurt" Anderson and rookie Martel Webster at SG, and that's it. Granted, the Blazers have a shitload of SF's (Miles, Patterson, Outlaw, Khryapa, Monia if he ever gets his VISA) but they are extremely short at both guard positions, which is why they are going to overpay for Wilkins.

Diezel said...

I am pretty much in agreement with everyone on this topic. As well as Damien played in the playoffs if u match a offer sheet from Portland you pretty much are doing the same thing the T-wolves did last year in matching Portlands offer sheet to Trenton Hassel I think Minnesota might be regreting that one. And as far as this 2 guard Sharounis something just signed with Indiana so I think the Sonics will make a deal soon. As much as I am not in love with Juan Dixon I feel he is a little bit better of a player than Flip. I am still curious why they never made a offer for Keyon Dooling who signed with Orlando this weekend. I think a team who has a large of amount of 3's that might be willing to deal is the Atlanta Hawks with the drafting of Marvin and last year getting Josh Childress and Josh Smith I think one of the latter would be available at the right price. If the Sonics play this more uptempo style like they are saying then a Josh Smith would be a ideal backup 3 to come off the bench and give the Sonics a little spark. Especially if we lose Vlade and AD and probably the departure of Damien where is that sparkplug off the bench going to come from. It's looking more and more like Flip is going to get the call which is going to blow up in the Soncis face, in my opinion. I agree Damien is not worth big time bucks, bit if u look at this Off seasons signings who hasn't really been overpaid except for maybe Ray. Sam Dalembert was offered the Max and still signed with Phili for between 55-60 millon dollars, and as much as I hate to say it at those dollars JJ looks like a bargain. I still believe too that it may come back to bite them that they used there two picks on two players that will not see major time this year as Petro will be groomed slowly and Gerrabelle will be on the Frech Riveria some where.

Myk said...

Anyone interested in Allan Houston if he gets dropped as Ray's back up? Lose Flip and sign Houston and Dixon as your two back up guards.

Jeremy said...

Diezel,

WRT James contract vs. Dalembert's contract vs. Kwame's contract etc.

The lesser of 2 evils is still evil.

I'm glad the Sonics didn't get buried in another 5 years of JJ. Look at his numbers, production and work ethic. No reasonably thinking person can possibly justify him making the money he did.

It's well established that teams will overpay for big men, which is why I advocate drafting big men. Not overpaying for short term fixes means that you have more money to spend on pieces that you actually want.

Anonymous said...

What's up with Paul Allen. Shouldn't there be some kind of loyalty to the well being of the city you own a sports team in?? (EMP doesn't make up for it either) Can you get in trouble for writing a "rude/rustic" banner, stating what you think of Paul Allen, and then hanging it over the bleachers during a hawks game? I'm all for restricting extremely rich bastards to only owning one professional sports team.

Sonic EJ said...

"lance uppercut" is so smart and informed.

The Blazers have 7 "wing" players. If that isn't alot for 2 positions then what is.

I guess in closing I would like to tell mr. anonymous it's not just him. Portland does have like 75 players all playing the same position at the guard.

Lance Uppercut said...

"7 wing players?" Here's a link to the Blazers roster http://www.nba.com/blazers/roster/index.html

At most you get 6, though not one of them is a SG, which is what the anonymous poster stated. Having Darius listed as a G-F is about as misleading as a roster can get. Patterson defends against SG, but he doesn't play the postion on offense. That leaves rookie Martell Webster and Derek Anderson, not a situation that any team, even in the rebuilding phase, is going to find acceptable.

P Whit said...

If we have to choose between Flip, Damien, and Dixon...Dixon, hands down.

Ken said...

If Juan Dixon isn't signed then we should sign Flip and will still need a true point guard. What would Sonic's fans think of picking up Dan Dickau for our back up point guard. Dickau might be willing to come back home and be a backup.

Myk said...

Hey Lance...to the best of my knowledge Damien would be considered much closer to a SF than a SG which Portland already has: Miles, Patterson and they are trying to clear out space because they think that Outlaw is the real star of the group..

Myk said...

I'm confused why is such a big deal being made about a player who had a couple good games at the end of the year? Every player with decent minutes should do OK in the NBA. It is the teams dumb enough to sign them to long contracts afterward that end up paying (Calvin Booth anyone...?)

Seattle fans we need to start being a little less sentimental and well a little smarter about things. Falling in love with players like AD, Wilkins, Willie Bloomquist, Bucky Jacobsen etc. just shows our naivete about sports. Role players are just that: ROLE PLAYERS and there are 100 of them out in the NBA right now who in the right system will be able to do what Damien did for us.

Locked on Sports said...

Good point by myk -- players move on. Teams evolve. You hold the core and then build around it. That means players move on.

Diezel said...

All these people that are crying for Juan Dixon did u watch the guy even play one game last year. People say we shouldn't over pay either AD or Damien based on a playoff series. Why do u think Juan is getting looks during the regular season he was barried on the bench. Starting 4 games and playing in only 63 he had a nice series vs Chicago and Miami but the only reason he was getting run in because Twan and L Hughes were being nagged here is the Sonics big free agents numbers 41% FG 32% threes and his Assist to Turnover ration is about as bad as Flips in 16.7 minutes a game last year he averaged 1.8 assists and 1.1 turnovers a game. And against Miami he played 24 minutes a game and averaged 1 assist, and u want him as a backup point. These are the top Two guys I would want to replace AD or Damien Chris Duhon played in all 82 games started 73 over Ben Gordan by the way. He averaged 4.9 assists a game which led all rookies and only 1.5 TO's so thats over a 3-1 Assist to TO ratio.Which ranked 7th in the whole NBA. My second is Tyrone Lue averaged 11 ppg 4.6 assists started 49 games and played in 70 shot 45% from the field and 35 from 3 point he also has a 3 to 1 turover ratio of 4.6 assists to 1.5 turnovers and also has a REAL ring by that I mean in the NBA and not in college. I mean do we want a gunner(i.e. Flip/Juan) or do we want a nice point guard whos going to come in and keep the offense moving and setting up people. Plus both Lue and Duhon are both used to starting/or coming off the bench and if for some reason either Luke gets injured or reverts to his play like in the San Antonio series then we have a backup PG who can come in to start.

Myk said...

Lue cannot be the answer...our back up PG cannot be smaller than Luke. That is why AD and Luke did so well together they played completely different styles

Sonic EJ said...

I agree mr. uppercut that the "2" doesn't look great for Portland. However the anonymous poster had a point. Why do they need a small forward. That is what Damien is. Damien is as much a 2 as Miles is.

Sonic EJ said...

By the way, MYK has some great points.
What about going with Arron Miles and Mateen Cleves as the backup point. Only name I've herd that I would want to pay for is Watson.

Jack W said...

I would sign Wilkins for the 3.6/yr offer. He's not a great outside shooter, but he hit some clutch shots against one of the best defensive teams during the playoffs. With the loss of Lewis and Radmanovic, Wilkins stepped up his game. In addition, more importantly, he has more tools than the other reserve players. He brings a needed defensive intensity, energy, hustle, plays perimeter defense, and can bring it to the hoop. I would rather sign him than Radmanovic, Evans, Flip, and Potapenko. Trade those players away and bring in some new players to surround the core. If I had to pick one guy to keep it would be Wilkins. Oh by the way, he was a rookie that didn't get playing time in the first half of the season. Yes, he's a risk, but the potential equals the paycheck.

Myk said...

Jack W, why do you think his potential is so great? Every player can have one or two good games. Remember all the potential that Jelani McCoy had or what about Lazero Burrell (sp?).

They all showed glimpses and yet never produced. Damien is not a sure thing and he can easily be replaced by someone at the minimum who like Damien was last year will do whatever it takes to succeed because he is playing for his next contract...unlike Damien this year

pdx said...

Sergei Monia finally got his visa and the Blazers signed him today, so it looks like they won't be going after Wilkins.

Jack W said...

Myk-

I never did write nor imply D.Wilkins is or will be great.
I don't think he had just one or two good games. I saw him progessas as he received more playing time. Like Collison, as the season progressed so did their smart play. I'm not saying they were perfect by any means.
Yes, many players show potential over a year, playoff series, or small period of time. In a perfect world, you could say: "Wilkins improve your game within a range in a period of years and I'll give you X amount of dollars." This luxury doesn't exist.

Hence, I used the word "risk" with Wilkins. Allen by far is a much larger risk. Allen represents 20-25 % of the scoring and 30-35% of the salary. In ratio of scoring to salary, I could argue that Wilkins in the next five years will be a better value than Allen. Of course, we know Allen brings certain intangibles that make his salary a little more tolerable. Like Allen, Wilkins brings many tools(see description in my previous reply) that make him an acceptable risk.

Yes, I agree the 2/3 postions are the easiest to replace. On offense you could probably draft a player to replace his abilities. What I think is underestimated is the combination of his offensive and defensive abilities/potential.

Just IMHO, he's worth it. That's the best I could explain it.

Jack W said...

In regards to Wilkins contract last year, why didn't the Sonics sign him for a longer period than one year? Just like AD, when the team decides to sign short term contracts they can get burned on it. Imagine if they signed AD to a four year contract or Wilkins to a three year contract? The team would be in a much better position.

The Sonics want it both ways. Some say it'll be easy to replace AD, Wilkins, Evans... Really? It's that easy? Good luck with that. Anyway, the point is as management, you have to trust yourself and live with the mistakes. Obviously, not McAlvaine or Booth type mistakes, but they're going to be inevitable. If your good at your job of evaluating talent and value then take that risk.