Monday, October 24, 2005

SHOULD THE DAWGS MAKE A CHANGE AT QB?

Let’s put the focus on the Huskies QB situation. Stanback’s numbers looked great 14 of 18 for 208 yards and no interceptions. However, I am not sold he is the answer. Let me make this very clear. I don’t believe that the Huskies record would be greatly different if they had a different quarterback. I like what he does most of the time, maybe even as much as 85% of the time.

However, I believe playing QB is a multiple choice question. Let’s say on every play there are 5 choices. 1 of them is the best answer, 3 of them are good answers considering the circumstances and 1 of them is F. That 1 is an inexcusable error. It is a critical error. Quarterbacks can’t give F answers. Stanback gives way to many F answers. Those F answers make me wonder if he wins games even when this team gets better.

Look at Saturday, they aren’t winning under any circumstances. But 4 F answers in the first half changed the game. Score was 14-10 when he throws an inexcusably bad lateral pass to Cody Ellis that becomes a fumble and a quick USC score. That is a mistake a QB can’t make. Next drive, 1ns and 10 they call a screen. USC blitzs the corner and it has a chance to be huge and Stanback panics and misses the pass. These are two easy play calls that the coordinator calls in order to relieve pressure. #3 on the next drive he botches the hand-off with Kenny James. It is not clear where the blame lies here, it looked like Stanback, but James didn’t play again after that play and lastly the most egregious error. 3rd and 11 with :30 on the clock to end the half and Stanback is flushed and runs and he goes out of bounds to stop the clock 4 yards short of the first down. Think about this. The idea of going out of bounds should never cross his mind. First he needs to get the first down, second if he doesn’t get the first down you don’t want to stop the clock, he had no understanding of time and score and those things kill me.

Those F’s kill me. Lastly, and this may not be fair but, QB is the one position that can change a teams mood. Whether or not it is Stanback’s fault the Huskies are losing and need a jolt. Changing QB’s is the only position on the field that can create that jolt. Is it the right answer, honestly I don’t know, but I am not convinced that with the amount of F’s Stanback makes you can win.

60 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think he brings too much to the table with his running at this point to make a change.

Sick with Stanback and hope for the best, he's the least of the problems from my view.

Myk said...

I agree with your points Locke. Personally, I really lost any faith in him after he decided to spike the ball on third down at the end of the first half against UCLA. There is no doubt that the guy is an athletic marvel but I just do not think that he understands the QB position well enough to ever be sucessful as a College QB.

Another big problem i have for him is that it appears to me (a laymen I suppose) that he only has to options in his head. He either throws the short quick 3 step route or if that is covered that means he is going to try and throw a 30 yard pass. There is no way an offense can be successful in doing that because the % of times a 30 yard pass will be completed (especially with sub-par WR) is not very high and that therefore sticks them in a position to have 2nd and long and 3rd and longs etc.

A medium ranged pass game is necessary to sustain any drive and is especially important when the running game is average at best. This problem also kills them in the redzone because the defenders have much less room to cover.

It appears to me that he can be reasonably compared to Ortege Jenkins from the UofArizona who always got publicity as being a really good QB but never had a record to show it. Johnny D has only played against scrubs so he might not be any better but it seems like everytime he has been in the game he has had the team driving down the field, it is time to at least give him a chance (maybe one series in the 2nd quarter each game) to prove if he can or cannot be a college QB. Honestly, what else is there to lose with this season?

Anonymous said...

Totally disagree!! I think he was one of the few bright spots on the offensive side of the football. He's constantly having to go through his reads in such a quick fashion because our offensive line is terrible. They are constantly getting blown up at the line of scrimmage. This area drastically needs to improve.

And by the way, don't blame that lateral on Stanback. I agree it was not a good pass, but clearly it hit the receiver right in the hands. Any receiver will tell you when a ball hits their hands like that - it should be caught.

I like what Willingham is doing and I honestly feel this program is heading in the right dirrection. The bottom line is he needs talent, especially on the offensive and defensive fronts.

NateRob1 said...

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NateRob1 said...

I can't say that all the blame has to go on Stanback. He isn't responsible for dropped passes, lack of rushing attack, defensive shortcomings, etc.
However, the Huskies have not won with him at the helm and he was one of the three QB's last year that didn't produce. Why not let Durocher play ? Or even let Hasty carry the ball some? The Huskies have nothing to lose. We already know what the other quarterbacks can do. Durocher is the only one who we know nothing about. Could he be a better quarterback for this offense than Stanback? The only way to know is to play him. He came from a winning high school program and led his team to victories. Isaiah never had that feeling at Garfield. I hope that Ty doesn't get too attached to Stanback and plays him because he is afraid to create a controversy. But what if Durocher is able to run the offense better than Stanback. Will there be a controversy then? Play Durocher. Go!Johnny Go!

Anonymous said...

Sure, sit Stanback. And bring in (drum roll) Casey Paus? Please. Give Stanback a running game and he might not be so confused trying to pick his receivers out of the 14 d-backs covering them.

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StanbackBlows said...

Please, play the reject form Oregon. At least he knows what it's like to win, even if it's with the Dawgs.

Myk said...

I am confused at why somoene can say that Stanback is not to blame for part of the team's struggle. People who are Seahawks fans and Husky fans get a perfect example of the type of offense that is sucessful and the type of offense that is not.

To be sucessful you need to be able to get positive yardage on your plays 80% of the time. That keeps you out of the 3rd and long situations that kill drives. Standback does not do that, he gives you 3 or 4 long balls a game and no mid-range passing game. I think Stanbacks shortcomings are even greater when you see how they are in the red zone. Think of all the times they get in the redzone and don't even get close to scoring.

For all his athletic ability he just doesn't make plays. We all got to see Marques show what a atheletic QB who makes plays really looks like and Stanback just doesn't have that. I think it is very obvious that he doesn't have a real feel for the game and is more used to playing two hand touch street ball (all the bombs) than organized football.

Johnny D might not be the answer but if your team is 1-6 you sure as hell might as well find out. I also agree that we should give Hasty a shot at RB. Why would a star recruit want to come here when they see that even when we suck and despite all the praise Ty is giving them for how they look at practice they still aren't going to play in their first year. If Hasty is the answer at RB I'd rather him get his growing pains now then in another year.

Sonic EJ said...

Wow, there is like 5 Husky fans left in Seattle.

Biggie said...

Hey Locke,

Of the top 5 teams in the BCS right now, how many of the QB's are black? That's right bitches.

Stanback is not the problem for the huskies, the problem is all of the rejects that we have left over from Gilby and Newweasel.

NateRob1 said...

Stanback would be more successful if he knew when he should or shouldn't run. In my opinion he holds on to the ball way too long and has a tendency to force his passes. His decision making needs to improve as Ty has said many times. A quarterback is the leader of any football team and if you asked the players who their leader is I bet that there would either be a lot of different answers or " I don't really know". Husky quarterbacks in the past took charge of their teams (Moon, Huard, Brunell, Tui, Chandler, Hobert, Millen, etc. and that is what made their teams successful. Stanback has yet to do that and until he does or whomever, this Husky team will not have confidence in the system. I hope that Ty recruits strictly linemen (big and fast)defense and offense next year (like the Schilling kid). The Boise State coach was asked what he looked for in recruiting his players and he said that they didn't necessarily recruit the big name athletes, but focused on their speed. As a result, look at what their team has been able to do in the last few years. They score points fast and at all different ways. I hope that Ty does this if he is to compete with the likes of an USC or Cal for that matter. Speed kills and the Huskies don't have it.

NateRob1 said...

Hey black,

What is Stanbacks overall winning percentage after a year and a half?

I rest my case. LOL

Myk said...

Look if Stanback was a freshman I would be OK with him starting and "learning the game", but this guy is a Junior and he still makes mistakes that HS QBs know not to do. How can you build a program around an upperclassman that you have to treat like a Red Shirt Freshman, it just doesn't make sense.

Anonymous said...

Myk - it's amusing to me that you put the record on Stanbacks shoulders. To me that proves you don't have a clue on how to judge a QB. If you listened to Coach Willingham yesterday, he gave Stanback a very high rating for his performance aganst USC. You can't just compare what Durocher has done during 4th quarter mop up time against Stanbacks time.

Also, pinning the record on Stanback shoulders is another mistake; the talent around him (spefifically the OL) and the defensive side of the football has been a HUGE dissapointment. And playing Hasty now would be pointless - why waste a year of eligibility? We just need to ride out the year and let Willingham bring in better plays. Let's face it - this team doesn't have much talent!!

NateRob1 said...

Anonymous,

Have we seen enough of Stanback to see that he doesn't have what it takes to be a trusted leader of this team? Nobody is asking him to play defense, offense, and special teams. All that is asked of him is to run the offense the way it is suppose to. Guys on the team will look at a quarterback for any sense of hope and Stanback doesn't bring it. They need someone back there who they know can get the ball into the receivers hands when they need to and to convert on third down when they have to. He is not the quarterback for this team. He would be perfect for a wishbone offense where they run the quarterback a lot. Durocher is more suitable to this offense because he is a natural drop back passer and has more poise in the pocket from what we have seen.

Myk said...

Anon,

Did you read my posts, here is a quick summary:

- Stanback plays like a Freshman but is a Junior, are going to be happy having a Senior QB next year who plays like a Sophomore? One can make the case that his horrible play at the end of the first half against UCLA cost his team the game. If the Huskies kick another FG at the end of the half they have just that much more emotion.

- If Stanback is so athletic and good why does he strugle so bad in the redzone? We starter the last TWO games in scoring position and got negative yards in those drives, Stanback doesn't have some accountabilty for that?

- I don't put the record on just his shoulders but the whole teams shoulders but you are blind if you can't see that he is one reason why they aren't winning. They are not losing in spite of him they are losing with him.

- In no way have I said that Johnny D is the answer, my point is if the season is lost then you might as well give him a series or two to see what happens. Although, I do think one reason they do not do that is because they don't want to create more of a controversy.

- My point about Hasty is not about saving his "eligibility". My point is that if I am a hot shot WR recruit or something and I see a 1-7 team who is holding back their star freshman RB (Ty seems to constantly rave about him), then why would I chose to go there when other much better programs are starting the true freshmen. Do we hear about Oregon saving Jonathan Stewart's eligibility??

Myk said...

Simply put we were told all throughout spring ball and fall camp that Isaiah and Johnny D were neck and neck, why wouldn't we give him a series or two?

Personally I think that it is because Ty thinks Isaiah has a very fragile ego and doesn't want to risk having a QB controversy

NateRob1 said...

Myk.

If Isaiah was a team player then he would have complied with coaches when he was asked to try another position other than QB. Staying with Isaiah is dragging the whole team down and not giving Johnny a shot at improving the team.

Myk said...

Naterob1,

While there is a large part of me who thinks our team would be much better with Stanback at WR and Johnny D at QB, I will not say he is not a "team player". I mean he is at least in the coaching staff the top option at QB so it doesn't make sense to move him to WR. If for some reason Johnny D and Carl Bonnell were significantly better than Isaiah then you would question his team loyalty.

Maybe my point isn't getting across clear enough. Do I think that Stanback lacks game experience and honestly might be too old to invest so much time teaching him the game...yes. However, I trust the staff thinks he is at least passable at QB so if they want to play him FINE, just give Johnny D a shot so that in 2006 we will know what we have from each guy.

How can this not make sense?

NateRob1 said...

Myk,

I do think that it's time for Johnny to get a shot just to see what has and if the team will rally around him. Obviously, this team lacks the talent to compete with even the mediocre teams out there. Isaiah has been given as much of an opportunity to run this offense and has not had much luck. We need to salvage as much of this season as we can and find out what the likes of Hasty, Durocher, etc. can do so that Ty knows what he needs to recruit for next year.

Anonymous said...

If they want Stanback and his big plays in the game, them play him in the proper position. If his greatest asset is running the ball, either line him up as a wide out or switch him to DB. Everyone wants the next Mike Vick, the only problem is they're hard to find. 1-6 doesn't leave a very good taste in anyones mouth.

Anonymous said...

Myk, you're getting way too emotional in your thinking. I was simpling saying Stanback is the best QB on this team, I'm not saying he's one of the best in the conference. Also, you keep pointing out that he's a junior making freshman decisions (which I don't agree). You need to remember he's had 3 different systems to learn due to the coaching changes.

I think playing Hasty would've been a good decision if you're in bowl contention, but you're not. I know the Bellevue kids personally (EJ and Hasty) and they weren't even considering UW before the coaching change. At some point you need to have some trust in Coach Willingham and believe that he's making the best decisions for this program.

Myk said...

Anon,

- How am I getting way to emotional I am just stating my opinion. No emotion really either way.

- What evidence do you have that says that Isaiah is the best QB on the team? It can't be his record, his performance has been up and down...that is why I say you have to give Johnny D at least a shot. Im not even calling for the benching of Isaiah just split the time between the two.

- Regarding the freshman recruits you are obviously not understanding my point. I guarantee you that one of the reasons the bellevue kids went to UW is because they thought they would get some PT and even if that is not the case I am sure other WRs and skill players are looking at the talent on the team and going, hmm they suck that bad and they still wouldn't even play me? At least you can go to USC and be in a winning program with a good rep if you are going to sit out a year. Progams turn it around by finding young studs that play early and play often and build momentum

Biggie said...

none of you fools can judge a QB, obviously. If you are judging Stanback because of the W's and L's of this team, that's just ridiculous, his play should be celebrated it could be Paus' stupid ass back there. There are too many armchair QB's in this town, none of ya'll know jack especially Locke. Answer me this, do any of you honestly think that our record would be different with Matt lienart behind center with the team we have on the field???

Biggie said...

You clowns need to be happy we at least have a talented QB back there, stop trying to plug in the white kid like that will make everything all better, you idiots crack me up.

Myk said...

Black,

- You crack me up because the ONLY reason you think he is a good QB is because of his race. If he was white and had the exact same skill set you wouldn't think he was a great QB and/or if Johnny D was the QB for the first 7 games and had produced the same results you would be all over him, how ignorant is that.

I don't think anyone is saying to bench Stanback I just think that with four games to go you should give everyone shots to see what you have for next year.

Biggie said...

If any QB even if he was purple did as well as Isiah has despite the clowns he plays with, I would give him all the props in the world, in fact it is the other way around you fools want him replaced with the white boy.

That's messed up he has been great given his training for the job, Seattle is the home of closet racists, you all cheer for Isaiah and Willingham, but secretly you want them both to lose and be replaced with your great white hopes, I just think it's funny how you idiots dreams are dying so damn fast like I pointed out the other day look at the top 5 in the BCS 3 black QB's all will be first round picks, in three ofr four years we won't see white kids getting drafted at that psition anymore. LOL!!!! Then all of you will have to shut the smuck up. LOL!!! It's almost here baby, REVOLUTION!!!!

Biggie said...

and if you don't believe me you can ask Fisher DeBerry. LOL!!!!

Myk said...

Black,

- It must be very difficult to make it through life with such an ignorant line of thinking. It is no wonder you are so angry. I don't support intolerance on any level. I hear that the PG situation is up in the air between Applebee and their freshman recruit. You think I care about what color they are?

I just dont see how you can watch sports with such a skewed unobejective view on everything, it makes so sense. Enjoy your anger I guess.

Biggie said...

Actually no it's pretty easy (I just kick it with black folks so...), I agree with segregation If I could have my way there would be no white dudes allowed in football, that way it would be alot more entertaining (basketball too) you guys just stick to, uh, um, Nascar, yeah Nascar (Iwas gonna say hockey but with Iginla being the stud he is I guess ya'll lost that battle too). But thanks for your concern. :) LOL!!!!!

Biggie said...

You should care what color they are I mean we are talking about the point. I mean besides a couple mutants like Stockton and Ridnour how many successful white points do you know of in the modern era?? And don't say nash he will be exposed this season.

Myk said...

Im confused on why you can sit here and talk about players of color like this and then express mock outrage when a white coach says something.

You wonder why stupid people say things like that and it is because you sit here and say the same ignorant things. Guess it is nice to know that I can look at the world objectively, it is unfortunate some people of all races/ethnicities cannot.

Biggie said...

I'm not mad at fisher, what he said was right. If you want speed on your team who do you get, not white dudes. The Astros have no black people on their team I hope they get swept.

Biggie said...

Why would you think I'd be mad at DeBerry?? Do you think that I think you guys are fast?? Look at the last 10 olympics track and field records, what race has the fastest man in the world belonged in the last 20 years??

Myk said...

Black,

- So then you think that what he said wasn't racist? And that it should be celebrated, huh? I think some of your friends might disagree.

I guess it is hard to take any of your opinions seriously because they are not objective. Maybe you should have taken a logic (or critical thinking) class or two while on campus at the UW, they really help

Biggie said...

No one I've talked too is mad at this, most cats I know just laugh and say "the man knows what he's talking about". How many white guys do you see in the starting blocks at the Olympics for the 400??? I rest my case.

Anonymous said...

Black,

How many black guys have you seen at the starting block in swimming relay? LOL!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Black,

who was the last black QB to win the Heisman? (Jeopardy theme is now playing...)

Answer: there hasn't been one

Biggie said...

Exactly on the swimming thing, I agree. The Heismann thing is pure racism and you know it, so you can keep that one. Vick deserved it more than Weinke, can you possibly deny that??

Biggie said...

I'm not mad at DeBerry, if I was the coach of an all black swim team, i'd be like "man we need to get some white guys around here, gay white guys especially.

Anonymous said...

LOL!!!!!!Black!!!!

Anonymous said...

Black,

If Weinke was the Heisman winner that Vick bettered that year, then you are only dissing Vick's abilities as a QB!! LOL!!!!

Anonymous said...

Black,


Before you make comments about gay white guys, have you read about Sheryl Swoopes? Don't think that it only happens in White Center.LOL

Biggie said...

I was refering to Louganis you moron. The only reason Weinke won was because the old white guys who decide shit like the Heisman would be damned if they gave it to a young black kid with more talent in his little finger than they have in there geneological line. So they give it to a 28 year old buster.

Biggie said...

White center? How is the home of our Mexican brothers relevant to this conversation?

Myk said...

Damn right black the Heisman is racist I mean has a black guy ever won it?? Oh I forgot somehow they are only racist at QB...

Biggie said...

They don't mind giving it to black skill players, are you just stupid or do you just like playing Devils advocate?? You know just like I do that there is this stupid ass age old stigma that white players are more intelligent and therefore are better suited to play positions like safety middle linebacker and QB. It was widely adhered to in the 40's 50's 60's and so on up until now where white america is left grasping that one lone straw (because we've blown your pathetic mythos out of the water) QB.

Biggie said...

Myk, are you like Lockes wife or something?? I bet you're Sandmeyer or one of these other retards who sound on the air like the stupid ass Roosevelt high Clowns who used to come to Garfield parties and almost get beat down for trying to put Blink 182 in the stereo. LOL!!!!

Myk said...

Black,

You bring up a GREAT point in your post (amazing). If a coach came out and said that I only want a white QB because they are just naturally more gifted at playing the position would you be OK with that? Of course not you would say that is bullshit and there is no proof that White QBs are better than Black QBs.

Well I would say the same thing about white Athletes, there are tons of great white athletes and tons of poor black athletes that is why it is wrong to stereotype a player by their race. The only way you should judge a person is by their actions of the field.

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Myk said...

So the only thing that makes you a good athlete is if you are fast...interesting idea

Biggie said...

Why do you keep beringing up the term athlete, is that the only angle you feel you can take to win your argument?? We are not talking about athletes in general really, we ARE taling about speed, what Fisher wants more of. Fisher didn't say black kids are better "athletes" He said black kids run very, very well. Thanks though.

Myk said...

So the only reason african americans have become more and more predominant in the NBA and NFL (btw they are falling off in Baseball..) is only because they are fast? Interesting.

Biggie said...

ISN'T IT??

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