Thursday, October 06, 2005

SEAHAWKS STAT BREAKDOWN AFTER WEEK 4

This season Locked on Sports is following some specific stats about the Seahawks. Each week I will post these stats. With a quarter of the season completed I thought it was time to reveal the them for the first time. Put your thoughts in the comment zone.
Things I found interesting: Alexanders 1st down rate, Alexander's thrid down rate, run v. pass amount on first down and Bobby Engram all the way across the board.

Section 1: PLAY SUCCESS RATE --- To be a success a play must get 40% of the yards on 1st down, 60% on 2nd down and the 1st down on a 3rd down play.

Overall
Alexander: 50%
Morris 38%
Passing: 67%

1st Down
Alexander: 39% (17 of 44)
Passing: 64% (46 of 72)

3rd Down
Alexander: 100%
Passing: 55%

Section 2: RECEPTION RATE --- % of pass intended to the receiver that were caught

Player
Engram: 78%
Strong: 72%
Jackson: 66%
Jurevicus: 57%
Stevens: 52%
Hannam: 50%
Alexander: 29%

Section 3: 3rd Down

3rd Down Efficiency
1 to 3 to go: Run 83% Pass 100% Overall: 91% (10 of 11)
4 to 6 to go: Run 50% Pass 33% Overall: 40% (2 of 5)
7 or more : Run 33% Pass 17% Overall: 19% (5 of 27)

3rd Down Receiving %– 1st Down %
Jackson – 40% of intended passes 30% of intended for 1st down
Engram -- 50% -- 33.3%
Stevens – 50% -- 25%
Jurevicus – 33% -- 33%
Hannam – 67% -- 67%

156 comments:

Kieth Gilbertson said...

This week will be the biggest test for Isaiah Stanback. Truly I don’t think you can make an opinion on him until we see how he reacts when playing good teams that have a scouting report on him. However, I think there is an interesting trend developing. In the Air Force game Stanback hit a ton of 3 step drop plays and since then the clubs have taken that play away from Isaih. Today I went through the play by plays that I keep for the Huskies game and broke Isaiah Stanback offense into two categories, pocket passing and rollout/screen plays. Let put a few qualifiers on this. It is not perfect. I do the best I can. Also I didn’t count after 3 quarters against Idaho because the game was over and I didn’t count the end of the Cal game because it was garbage.
Here is what I discovered
In pocket passing Stanabck is: 12 of 33 for 281 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT
Out of the pocket or screen he is: 13 of 13 for 109 yards

The 13 of 13 is amazing. The 12 of 33 is awful. Not sure what this means.

Myk said...

Tonight was a great night, I actually got to see the Huskies win a meaningful Football game. Too bad it was from 1994...This FSN Classics thing is pretty cool. Some things I forgot from that game/team:

- How completely dominated the Huskies were in the first half. There was no way they should have been even close...

- What a great blocker little Napolean was, had to WONDERFUL blocks, maybe he can teams Shaun Alexander a thing or too...

- What a HORRIBLE Quarterback Brock Huard was...I didn't see one throw that made you think yeah he was one of the best HS QBs in the state.

- How aggressive the Huskies D was, all the Miami WR were faster then them but the staff didnt care and had them up in the WRs grill most of the game. Sure they got beat a couple times but it definately set the tone...

- What a crazy coach Lambo was. I remember that he tried onside kicks to start games on multiple occasions and going for two when down 14-3 is just crazy..but it worked. He even tried a flea flicker that game. Maybe we need some ballsy coaches up here in Seattle (Ty/Big Mike)

Finally, I think the current UW staff should show the team this game. That game could show the team exactly what they should be doing in games:

Did Miami have better talent? Yes
Did Miami have a home field advantage? Yes
Did Miami dominate parts of the game? Yes

Did the Huskies ever fold? HELL NO

If the current team had even half the heart that the 94 team showed they would have won games like UCLA and Air Force AND would be able to pull of a real upset once in awhile. Hopefully it will come soon..

BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON

deandc said...

Personnelly without the rest of the datat to put it in perspective it means nothing. Like how many throws to each player, how many were catchable, how are other receivers and RBs doing. But more importantly we have one of the top 5 offenses in the league so who cares and if one of the top offenses in the league have these humbers others must have the same or worse witch makes the whole think a waste. According to NFL. com Alexander is averaging 4.6 yards on first down that is more than 40% of the yards. On second 6.1 more than 60% of the yards and on 3rd down 8.3 YPC so that just makes your whole stat line wrong. Like I said a whole lot of data missing to really see what if anything this all mean.

Myk said...

Deandc,

Your analysis doesn't make sense. Just because Shaun has a high average does not mean he can be counted on for a good gain. If he ran for 99yards on one first down and then the next 30 he ran for only 1 he would still "average" 4 yards a carry.

I think Locke's point for the stats are to show how reliable our Offense can be. Averages really mean nothing or have a very little statistical relevance.

Anonymous said...

Shaun Alexander is the best back in the game right now. The funny thing is they guy wanted to stay in Seattle and the Hawks wouldn't give him a contract. He is going to look great in the silver and black next season.

Myk said...

Ummm...

- Shaun did not want to stay in Seattle he wanted to make as much money as he could...he couldn't care less what team it was for.

- Why would the Raiders sign him when they just gave Lamont Jordan a fat contract?

Myk said...

Saw that Brian Westbrook is going to be a FA this offseason. Do people think they would rather have Shaun or Westbrook, if we continue to use the West Coast Offense

Sonic EJ said...

Ummm...

All Shaun wanted was a long term contract. GM Bob was asleep at the wheel and let his deal run out. Now that Shaun has been disrespected he feels no loyalty to the Hawks and will not give them the home team discount.

The Hawks give Winstrom the Moon but less than a year later will not give Shaun a multi-year contract?

The Shaun haters won't have much to bitch about next season. lol

Myk said...

Shaun sure did seem loyal when he felt his team and coach stabbed him in the back...it is a load of crap to think that he WANTED to sign a long term deal in Seattle. He only would because there was nothing else available

Sonic EJ said...

Shaun should have never been allowed to go into the last year of his deal without and extension. All of this is a result of Shaun feeling disrespected by Seahawk management. Myk, are you one of those guys who would pass on TO or Randy Moss because they occasionally say dumb sh!t in the press? If you are, get over it.

deandc said...

Shawn went to the FO 3 years ago to talk about his contract and they did nothing. I know for a fact he still wants to be here anf all the FO needs to do is offer a fair deal. I think Ruskell is smart enough and will get the deal done period.


My analysis makes perfect sense the whole idea was there was not enough information to realy take Locks stats for anything other then meaningless numbers.

Biggie said...

Locke is the biggest idiot the sports talk scene of america has ever witnessed. I want him fired and his job given to a person (preferably black, latino or asian) who is a little more up to date on things in the sports world, and has a little more relevance than some thirty-something redhead with no athletic ability whatsoever. Hey Locke come down to greenlake sometime and join us in a pick up game of hoop, I'll play you for your job.

Myk said...

EJ,

- No way I would take Randy Moss and TO and their comments over Shaun's any day. For all the commotion that Moss and TO make they don't care, they are just saying what is on their mind and in the end alot of it is just them playing their "character" to the media. Shaun on the other hand is just like A-Rod, tried to do everything he can to come out perfect. Therefore, his comments regarding being stabbed in the back lead me to believe that he really honestly felt that they had intentionally caused him not to get that yard.

- All and all in this season I have been much more impressed with his play then the last couple of years, after the Jacksonville game he seems to have started to run harder and hit the holes with aggression. The only thing I don't like to hear is the quote "I run hard when I have too" which the announcers used last week. I just don't understand why he thinks it is more important to run hard in the red zone than outside the red zone. If he runs as hard outside the red zone that would just open up more opportunites for him to score TDs which seems to be all he really cares about....and really don't argue about this fact because he has said on numerous occasions how important it was for him to score TDs.

- Finally why should he have not gone into the last year of his deal without a new contract? If the Seahawks knew they had the franchise tag, and they also knew the track record of back rapidly declining after the age of 30 (how is Ahman Green doing these days?) then why would they cave and just give him whatever he wants? Next year if Shaun wants so bad to stay in Seattle and the Seahawks want him then they will stay together. Something tells me neither are on that page though.

Deandc,

- So you know for a fact that he wanted to stay in Seattle, huh? Care to give any evidence to back it up? I know that in reading many of the national columnists there was always talk that Shaun felt he wasn't used enough AND that he would get more endoresements/popularity if he played in a larger market. I would like to find one article anywhere that said Shaun loved it here and really wanted to sign a new contract. All he wanted was to get paid (not that there is anything wrong with that)...don't act like he has this undying love for Seattle when it simply isn't true.

- Your analysis makes no sense what so ever. You are trying to say that since player X averages a certain amount on a certain down that you can rely on him to get that on his next carry and that is absolutely false. You can never use averages to accurately predict the future. All Locke was trying to do was focus on a couple of stats to see how reliable the offense is.

Black,

- I understand the need for a minority voice in the media and the sports world, especially since 75% (?) of all the athletes that play are minorities. However, why are you so quick to accept any sort of minority when it is compared to their white counterpart. Do you have any objectivity in you? Is the only reason you like Mike Vick, Stanback etc because they are black or is it because they are good QBs as well. In other words if Mike Vick was a white guy would he still be one of your favorite players?

Myk said...

I should ammend my previous post by saying..a need for an increase in minority voices in the Sports World. There can never be too many different views on how Sports effects our lives...some young writer definately needs to step up and take the place that Ralph Wiley left when he passed away.

deandc said...

Here you go; From SShjauns own website http://www.shaunalexander.org/guestbook:

"July 19, 2005

What’s up everybody! I’m in Seattle working out. The Seahawks and I are in contract negotiations. I’ve told them that money is not a big deal as much as spending the rest of my carrier here and raise my family in Seattle. Its all on the Hawks. I’m praying for their decision. To all the Hawks fans pray for the deal. Tell you more later."


As far as the rest of your multiple posts Again my point was locks stats mean nothing with out the other info I mentioned to make sense. But you can keep ignoring that fact if you want.

As far as something telling you they are not on the same page please provide the proof, for all you know they already have a deal and are waiting on the right time to announce it like during our off week.

Biggie said...

Myk,

Nope, just because they're black. LOL!!! I hate Hockey but I love the brotha who plays for Calgary, I forget his name but the last NHL season when they played Tampa I think, for the cup, that season hockey "professionals" said he was far and away the best player in the NHL. This just tickles me pink when the ratio of black to white in the NHL is like 15 - 1. We just take sports over, I love it. LOL!! Thanks for asking. LOL!!!

Myk said...

I dont watch Hockey but his last name is Iginlia or something...

I figured your outlook was as such. Somewhat disappointing that in the year 2005 people cannot have an objective outlook on these matters.

Biggie said...

Myk,

If Mike Vick was white? You mean like that Matt Jones clown from Jacksonville? or stupid ass Eric Crouch? There will never, NEVER be a white guy with the skills of Mike Vick. You know my favorite commercial right now?? The one with the white guy coming out of the McGrady robot and jumping into the Wade robot, it's funny the lengths white people will go to to be like us. LOL!!!! (My favorite part is when the Wade robot is closing up, the way the white guy looks at the brown skin on D Wades hand, like "WOW, I'm black, FINALLY!!!!"). HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL!!!

Biggie said...

Myk,

No it's sad that in 2005 that every person with their own show on KJR is white. What do you have to say to that. Even Fsn, oooohhh Cameron Wong, wow, thanks for the bone white people. Chumps.

Myk said...

Black,

As I stated before I agree with you. In a industry where 75% of your starts are minorities there could always be additional minority presence in the people who cover it. I especially would prefer to have more minority commentators who were NOT athletes, since they do not always give you the most unbiased perspective (protecting their little athelete fraternity) and call people out. I consider Ralph Wiley one of the greatest writers of this generation and there needs to be more young black people voicing their opinions in a constructive manner regarding sports.

However, to only root for players based on their skin tone just appears to be a bit ignorant. It is sad to see that in the 21st century people are still swayed by this method. What I find strange is that people like Larry Bird say that we need more white superstars in the NBA and I just don't see it. There hasn't been a white superstar in years and yet white people continue to go to the games and cheer on thier teams. I would expect someone to lose a little respect for me if the sole reason I supported a player was because of the color of their skin.

Myk said...

DeanDC,

All that post from Shaun Alexander's website shows is that he just like ARod will say whatever he thinks he has to say to make sure as many people in the world think he is a good guy. You'd think Seattle fans would know that with players like him (and Alex) you need to start relying more on the information that others have on him then the BS PC crap he tries to pull off.

Of course he would love to stay in Seattle if they wantto give him 6 years, 36 million with a 16 million signing bonus...

Biggie said...

Steve Nash 2004 MVP

I like white players, I always defend Hasselback to my buddies, I love Collison, I've been watching him since freshman year @ Kansas. As far as Larry Bird, perfect example I agree with Isaiah when he said "if Larry Bird was black, he would not get half of the publicity" That is one of the truest statements ever made by an athlete. White people in the sports journalism "profession" were up in arms, it's funny that boring ass Larry Bird was like soooo many white guys' favorite player, yes white people "like" black athletes but they will throw them under the bus in a hot second. Try and deny it.

Myk said...

- Geez I sure think Larry Bird wouldnt be very popular if he were black. I mean black players that average 22-26PPG, 10+ RPG, 6-7 APG, 2SPG and 1BPG sure don't get much publicity. Those numbers are strikingly similar to Kevin Garnett and Bird also was the most dangerous shooter in the game AND won titles. Seriously, who does he compare with that was black and didn't get the recognition they deserved?

- I don't agree that in this day and age white people will throw a black player under the bus in a hot second. A perfect example of this would be Mark McGwire. McGwire sure seems to have come out the worst in this situation as compared to Barry Bonds and even Sammy Sosa. Im not sure if you count Palmerio as a minority but he is another guy that got wasted based on what happened and not his race or ethnicity.

I think as the years go on the racism thing becomes less and less. You have a generation who has grown up watching people of all colors and ethnicities compete in sports and therefore the white people of that generation don't even notice the color of a person's skin. Of course there are always going to be crazy people that do dumb things (crazyness is not just a "white" thing..) but as a whole I find it hard to believe you can say that minorites in the world of athletics are treated differently than non-minorities. Especially by the sports fans that have grown up in the last 30 years.

Myk said...

Also..there is no way that Steve Nash deserved the MVP last year...I would prefer to have an MVP that could play defense.

Biggie said...

Myk,

I have a simple test for you since you can't seem to see (in 2005, like that makes a difference) where I'm coming from.

Go home tonight, turn on your television, get a pad and paper and make a mark everytime you see any person of color whatsoever. On the other side of paper make a mark for every white person that you see. You might want to go by Office Depot and get a few extra pads for the white side of your study. LOL!!! After you realize the shit that my children and myself and every person of color in america has to go through on a daily basis (unless we're watching B.E.T. or sports)then I wouldn't expect to hear from you anymore if you are capable of making an unbiased observation. P.S. you have to do this on a network channel, it won't work on the lone asian, black, or hispanic networks. Again thanks for the bone white people. Chumps!!

Myk said...

If there was a white player on Boston that was overated it would be Kevin McHale and/or Bill Walton

Biggie said...

now you're getting of point I never said anything about being treated differently, I'm talking public perception.

Right, if Larry Bird were black he would just be another in a long line of great black players, but white people seem to want to put him 2nd on the list behind MJ. Hes not even 22nd.

Myk said...

Black,

Since when did we start talking about Television and Entertainment? I do not argue at all that there are way too many white people on TV and it is dissapointing that when a minority is on many TV shows it seems like they are there specifically because they are a minority.

Hopefully, at some point that will improve. The media is one of the most powerful institutions of our nation and young minorities need to continue to fight through and make their voices heard. I just do not see this relating to what we originally were talking about and that was minorities in the world of sports.

It takes tolerance from both whites and non-whites to trump racism. It does not help to be racist against white people as that is just adding to the problem rather than fixing it. I would would rather be part of the solution rather than add on to the problem, and as diversity becomes more and more prevelent in society it should become easier for people to accept everyone's differences.

Biggie said...

Bill Walton is the worst commentator ever him and his retard voice, frankenstein looks, blank stare havin' son, and no game havin' self. It's not just Boston, he is one of the most overrated players in NBA history.

Myk said...

Why is Larry Bird not in the top 5 players of all time? I think you have MJ, Magic, Larry, Wilt and Russell. Each of them led their teams to tremendous success. Had undisputable individual success? I would like you to really name 20 black players that have better numbers and better team performance than Larry Bird.

Reverse racism is just as bad as racism, and really what purpose does it serve? Would I be better off if I lied to myself and decided that Larry Bird, Jerry West and John Stockton are better than MJ, Magic and Wilt?

Myk said...

Yes Bill Walton was truly horrible (I just said that in my best Bill Walton voice..) I think he is why they invented the mute button on TVs

Biggie said...

You sound like every complacent white person I've ever met, "it wasn't me who had slaves, it was my ancesters". But now those people are today's business professionals, and decision makers. Has shit really changed? NO

Myk said...

Wow on NBA.com you can go get NBA Legends stats and every player has their year by year log except for Bill Walton..wonder if that is because they realize he shouldn't be on there...

Biggie said...

I could name 20 black players in the last 10 years that are better than Larry bird, not that you'd agree with me.

Myk said...

Thanks for judging me by my skin color. By looking at things through that perspective you are no better than the racism you act like you want to counter. If you think that things have not gotten better in the last 25 years then you are lying to yourself.

Myk said...

Of course you could because you are determined not to like Larry Bird just because of the color of his skin. In fact you are doing exactly what you are accusing White people of doing. You are saying that since Larry Bird is white he isn't as good as a black player...or Black players with comparable stats are better than him.

Biggie said...

MJ, Magic, Larry, Wilt and Russell. Replace Larry with Julius, and then you have a proper list. And what about Kareem, the all time leading scorer??

Biggie said...

Gotten better for whom? Listen, now you're pissing me off, you don't state that things have gotten better, YOU ASK. Get it. How the f*ck would you know if things are better for a group of people to which you don't belong???

Myk said...

I would be more than willing to add those two into a discussion of top 7. At some point with all players it comes down to your standard and what things you place in higher regard. After MJ and Wilt I think the next five are all debateable. To claim that he is not in the top 7 or 8 is just silly.

Myk said...

Well being that in the past 30 years the number of minority executives have increased at a much more rapid pace then the previous 20 years that would be a sign of things getting better. The fact that an increased amount of minorities are going to college and graduating...

Are things fixed? No
Are things perfect? No
Are things going as quickly as they should? No/Maybe

Are you saying you would rather this be the 1960s?

Biggie said...

No, just give us our Reperations (40 acres and a mule for every man & family) promised by the "president" (lincoln), and leave us the hell alone. The NBA and NFL should be turned over to African American ownership and commisionnership (or whatever) also.

Biggie said...

As per your little stats about minorities (that word only applies in america, if you include world population, whites are the true minority) They should be the ONLY executives, Native Americans should be running this country. GET THE FUCK OUT. REVOLUTION!!!!

AAAAAIIIIIAAAAAIIIIAAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! (WARCRY BITCHES!!!)

deandc said...

OK now I get it you have made up your mind and though you could be wrong and as of now have no proof saying you are right, you are right. Now I get it and that makes it easy to ignore it.

Biggie said...

was that barely intelligable post directed at me? You need some damn schooling.

Biggie said...

Why so quiet?? Cat got your tounge??

Biggie said...

LOL!!!!!!!!

deandc said...

Ok SInce I am nto sure if you are talking to me I will say my post was not dirrected at you BLack but at Myk.

Anonymous said...

Deandc,

Are you ok?

Biggie said...

Ah, sorry, carry on. LOL


Now, if Mr. Brown would've made that kick, we'd be 4-1.

But that is spilled milk, SEAHAWKS will not only play in but we will win the SUPERBOWL.

Seattle 35
San Diego 21

A nice AFC west match-up just for old times sake. LOL!!!

Biggie said...

Anon,

Are you gay?

Myk said...

Black,
Nope cat hasn't caught my tounge, but there is no use wasting space in this sports blog to discuss cultural diversity

Dean,
If you want to base your opinion on an athlete based on postings on his personal website then go right ahead. There is a smart sports fan for you...

Sonic EJ said...

Hey black,

Have the Hawks won a playoff game yet???

deandc said...

Myk fine either you are really blind or have not been reading the paper here is one from an interview by Sando adn there are plenty more:

Alexander stays grounded

MIKE SANDO; The News Tribune
Published: September 30th, 2005 12:01 AM

“It’s not even in my mind,” Alexander said. “I’ve already told them this is my team, my city and I want to be here.”

deandc said...

Anonymous said...

I am fine. why?

Biggie said...

Sorry Myk,

He's right, I've seen shaun on FSN talking about the same exact stuff, those exact words actually, now I don't know if he means them or not, but your argument was whether or not he said it.

EJ,

You don't need me to answer that obviously, but if I'm exactly right(point spread, teams, etc...), you can go out and collect signatures to have me take Locke's spot on KJR. LOL!!!!! Deal??

Myk said...

DeanDC,

Can you do some research for me. Can you pull up every interview that Alex Rodriguez gave in 2001? Take all of his comments and replace the team Mariners with Seahawks and you have Shaun's quotes...amazing huh.

Myk said...

At what point have I said Shaun hasn't said this stuff? I just think it is obvious by his other quotes in the past that he is not as loyal to this team as Dean seems to think...

Myk said...

There is no reason for Shaun to NOT say these things, why would he go out and cut down one of his potential suitors? Insiders have always said that Shaun was not happy in Seattle due to the lack of media coverage AND his role on the team.

Myk said...

For better or worse I think ARod has forever scarred the Seattle sports fan. When you have people like Shaun and Ray who try so hard to only say the right things it causes suspicion, this along with his other actions causes me not to believe...if you want to believe Dean then go on ahead

Myk said...

Black,

If we are going to sign a petition to get rid of a host on KJR can't it be Groz, Gas or Softy? I would take Locke over any of them. I am getting so sick of having to listen to Groz give misinformation about sports. He is a goddamn sports host and he doesn't know nearly enough about sports. On Friday he said that we should sign Jim Thome because he is a FA this year...

Seriously doesnt every somewhat big sportsfan know that he isnt a FA?

Biggie said...

Fine I'll take the spot of those two fat jackasses, You, EJ, Diezel, and I should do a show, we can just argue the whole time, I promise I'll try my best not to stab anyone. LOL!!!!!

Biggie said...

Oh it's Columbus day today. FUCK Christopher Colombus, that rapist moterfucker. You didn't find shit you moron, there were people ALREADY here. Biggest Jackass ever.

deandc said...

Gee Myk that is a great conversation you are having with your self. You can believe what you want like I said it is obvious you choose not to believe with no evidance to support it. I choose to believe becasue at this point the facts say he wants to be here.

Sonic EJ said...

Gas is the worst. I don't think he even likes sports.

Let's face facts, Softy is a close second because his show is only as good as Husky football...not exactly phenomenal!

Biggie said...

They all suck if you compare them to the STEWS, on 790 the Zone in atlanta. You can hear them over your PC if you google 790thezone, go to 2livestews and click listen live on our time they are on at lunchtime 11 - 4

Sonic EJ said...

Yeh, I know. I tried it out last week. I like it.

Myk said...

DeanDC,

Your facts are generic quotes that every athlete says..talk about facts. Sorry I dont have the time to look up articles from last year. However, happy players don't say: "I got stabbed in the back"

Black,

That would be a great show, I think that there should be more roundtable type stuff on the radio. I mean really in all honesty we probably know as much about sports as most of them. You have to admit you might not agree with Locke's stuff but at least he comes to the table with things..

Sonic EJ said...

Looks like Paul Pierce might get traded to the Clips for Maggette and Wilcox.

www.hoopshype.com

Great trade for Boston if they can pull it off.

deandc said...

Myk again one comment does snot mean he wants out. I suppose everytime Holmgren yels at his players in frustration means he wants out, or for that matter any coach. I suppose when a parent scolds ther child that means they do not love them and wants to get rid of them. The facts are when he is asked about Seattle he always says he wants to stay period.

Sonic EJ said...

myk,

deandc has a point.

supergeek said...

DeanDC takes it up the pooper!!!!

deandc said...

SUpergeek if you have nothing contructive to say don't say anything.

Here is some advise:

It is better to keep ones mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt. Although in your case it is now to late.

supergeek said...

did you just quote Obi Wan Kenobi?? I have a newfound respect for you. Right on fellow Padawan. That was awesome.

Biggie said...

Supergeek,

You really need a woman!! And a cardboard cut out of Princess Leia doesn't count.

Myk said...

DeanDC,

First off any time a person accuses a coach/team of stabbing him in the back the same day they just won a do or die game to get into the playoffs (on the last play no less)...that holds a little more water then a person who just grumbles about his coach.

Listen he may have turned over a new leaf but this is the same guy that teammates have called selfish, admits that he doesn't run hard except for when he is in the redzone and has in the past not practiced hard if he wasn't happy. Guess we will all have to see the outcome.

Biggie said...

Now we'll see how good Steve Nash is. Stoudamire is done for 4 months, no Joe Johnson, and no Q. I can't believe Q cheated on Brandi, I would beat that *&%$#@ up (and not in a bad way).

Sonic EJ said...

What if Alexander was right? Sure he shouldn't have said anything but dude was in a contract year and all he needed was that one yard.

Maybe Holmgren did stab Alexander in the back.

Sonic EJ said...

The Suns are F!cked. The guy I feel bad for in Marion. I would cut off my left hand to get that guy to come to Seattle.

Sonic EJ said...

Sorry I meant "is" not "in".

Biggie said...

What would we do with the Matrix??
I'd rather have Rashard, honestly I'm not the biggest fan of either but at least Rashard can spread the floor a little more effectivly.
The Matrix seems to be a little bit of a head case to me. I think we're pretty deep at the 3 anyways (I don't, and will never consider Radman a 4).

Sonic EJ said...

I would give up Rashard in a heartbeat for the Matrix. (What a gay nickname! It would have to be changed) The defense Marion brings makes the deal a steal. No injuries, the rebounds...oh man...I would be happy as hell. I will admit Marion looked bad in the WCF but Duncan and Co. have that effect on people.

Crackrocks said...

Shawn Marion is a bum!! The dude got straigt slapped around by the same crew that Damien Wilkens got off on.

Sonic EJ said...

So Vlade is hurt to start the year. Thank good the Sonics didn't cave to his crazy ass and give him 60 mil.

Vlade is such a chump. I was talking to some guys on a different Sonics blog and they were saying that if Vlade agreed to a trade it could go through. Anyone in the NBA want an above average starting SF? He can shoot. We want to give him away. Send him to Dallas for Josh Howard.

Biggie said...

Now that is a trade that I can deal with, I wanted the Supes to draft Howard when we had the damn chance.

Sonic EJ said...

The whole league got slapped around by the Spurs. Besides isn't he allowed one bad series?

Sonic EJ said...

Was that the Nick and Luke draft?

deandc said...

Myk you are makign way to much over it, it is done, over and forgotten by most everyone. The man made a mistake, applogized let it go.

Crackrocks said...

DeanDC,

Don't you realize that Myk is a woman??

Myk said...

EJ,

- So you would rather your coach focusing on making sure their start running back happy then winning a do or die game to get into the playoffs? Teammmates have always felt he was egotistical this just shows he hasn't fully been able to turn the corner.

- I think I would rather have Rashard at non-max player money than Marion at max money, but it really is pretty close. Both guys played the role of the invisible man in the playoffs

- It is my understanding that the collective bargaining agreement prohibits any trade of players who sign the one year tender. It would be nice to have Howard, but again wouldn't that just mean we were overly stacked at the three position?

Black,

- While I am not a fan at all of Steve Nash, I think it is unfair to judge him now that he has lost three of his best players. That would be like saying that Kobe sucks because he didn't do all that well last year. We all know that losing Shaq had a bit to do about that...

Myk said...

Dean,

That is fine but you can't blame the Seahawks for not signing Shaun. You act like he was willing to take a big paycut to stay in Seattle and he wasn't. The deal they finally agreed to appears to have made both sides happy which is all we can ask for.

Biggie said...

I think it was the biggest travesty ever to give Steve Nashs' stupid ass the MVP. All he did was feed great players. I hope he has the worst year of his career and then retires and is never seen or heard from again.

Crackrocks said...

I would smoke Nash like you know what.

Myk said...

Black,

- I agree to a point, if Shaq had been able to stay healthy all year I think he would have won the award. You have to admit though that Nash had some pretty amazing performances in the playoffs. I am sure you are underestimating/holding it against him becuase he is white.

supergeek said...

i WANT TO MARRY pADME.

Biggie said...

I know dude that 4 games to 1 exit that he orchestrated against the Spurs was just epic. WTF?????

Biggie said...

and no not just because he's white, mostly because he's a f*ckin Canadian.

Biggie said...

There's two things in this world that I can't stand; People who are intolerant of other peoples cultures, and Canadiens. F*CK CANADIENS.

supergeek said...

Dear God, ugh er I mean, Dear SuperShadow, you the man. (SuperShadow: I see all. You‘re spaced out on sensation. Like you‘re under sedation.) Hah enough said let's cut to the chase. (SuperShadow: Let‘s do the time warp again.)

You know how the Jedi say they can't love, get married or breed and all that stuff, but if two Jedi breed wouldn't their children have a greater connection to the Force? (SuperShadow: Yeah, probably. A male and female Jedi would likely have very powerful offspring.)

Like how Anakin was supposedly made from the Force (no father) and bred the most powerful Jedi in history. (SuperShadow: I see what you are saying. The Force provided most of Anakin‘s power. Shmi Skywalker was pretty weak as far as Force powers go.)

That's my opinion. Answer me please. (SuperShadow: You got it.) Nice talkin' to ya. Kurt T. from New Jersey. (SuperShadow: Ah, good ol‘ NJ. Home of the Sopranos.)

Hello Dear SuperShadow. My name is Nick and I want to work for Lucas. (SuperShadow: To get a job from Lucasfilm, you need to visit their official web site.) I am 20 years old and will be 21 years old June 15. Star Wars has been my life (SuperShadow: Very impressive.) and I don’t care how much you guys pay me. (SuperShadow: Lucas generally pays minimum wage.)

I don’t care if it’s a lot and I don’t care if it’s not. Star Wars is my passion. (SuperShadow: I can tell.) I love it. I love the work Lucas and you have done and I don’t think I will be happy doing anything else. (SuperShadow: Agreed.) I don’t care what you guys have me doing.

I just want to work for you guys. If you have the time to email me, I would be very grateful. (SuperShadow: SS avoids e-mail like the plague. I‘m kinda old fashioned.) Send me the direction. I need to go to get my app in to you guys.

Please! (SuperShadow: Go for it.) My email is ___@_____.com. Thanks for your time, Mr. Shadow. (SuperShadow: Lucas says thanks for being so passionate about Star Wars.)

George, first of all I'd like to say as long as you continue to do great things, I will continue to spend money on Star Wars. (SuperShadow: Lucas is addicted to cash.) You have never failed me yet. I wanted to say that I believe that A New Hope is probably your best piece of work. (SuperShadow: Yep, the first one probably is the best.)

I know it may not be as popular as The Phantom Menace or some of the others, (SuperShadow: If you adjust A New Hope‘s box-office earnings for inflation, A New Hope is, by far, the most successful Star Wars movie.) but it seems to have this certain spirit to it that is super cool. (SuperShadow: A New Hope is amazing. So revolutionary even 28 years later.)

I think Episode IV has more of the space opera feel than some of the newer ones (which compensate with super cool special effects.) What are your thoughts on this? (SuperShadow: A New Hope is special. The first time you see the Star Wars galaxy is hard to describe. It‘s just so awesome.)

Also I noticed you like to work with trilogies. Any particular reason? ~ Thanks! Simon. (SuperShadow: Stories naturally have a beginning, middle and ending. The first episode introduces the characters and plot. The second episode puts the characters in distress and the third one brings it all to a smashing conclusion.)

Hey SS. What up? (SuperShadow: Just enjoying being the most popular Star Wars web site of all time.) Please put Admiral Ackbar in the sequel trilogy because he is my favorite character. (SuperShadow: We can do that.)

Also, I like the idea of having Jawas as Jedi because in one of the Star Wars video games, (Jedi Academy), you can cheat to change your character into a Jawa, which I thought was really cool to kill Dark Jedi as. (SuperShadow: That sounds killer cool. Nice going.)

Question to almighty Shadow, ruler of the COOLEST Star Wars site in the known universe. (SuperShadow: You would be floored to learn how many unique visitors SS.com gets each day. It cannot be possible yet we grow more and more popular by the day. I love it.) You mentioned you and Lucas worked hard on Padme's death scene: it shows!

Question is: why don't other people get it? (SuperShadow: Some people are dumb.) How can they not understand what you made so clear? (SuperShadow: Exactly.) Padme's entire universe just got rocked, the Senate's a facade, the Republic's gone, her "friend" Palpatine is really a Sith Lord and her loving husband and father of her child just tried to choke her to death. (SuperShadow: Yes, it all adds up perfectly.)

Give that much stress to any near term pregnant woman and see what happens! (SuperShadow: You‘re a genius. You understand us.) Top it off, Padme knew Anakin would never stop looking for her while she was alive. Her only way to protect her children was to let them go and let go herself. (SuperShadow: Agreed.)

Padme was truly a tragic character, but noble to the end. Her funeral gave me chills (# 3 uber-sad moment in the movie, after Anakin's immolation and the Jedi Purge). (SuperShadow: You‘re very bright.)

You guys are brilliant! (SuperShadow: We know it. Trust me. Our egos make the Universe look like a speck of dust.) I don't get why everyone else doesn't get it. I can't wait to see the Star Wars TV show. (SuperShadow: The best is on the way.)

Hey, Supes! What's up? Scorin' a lot? (SuperShadow: SS is always scoring.) Well, I had a question. At the end of Return of the Jedi, how did Darth Vader die? (SuperShadow: Sidious‘ Force lightning knocked out Vader‘s artificial breathing apparatus. Vader suffocated to death.) I'm still trying to figure it out. Thanks, man! You rule and so does your site. You're a freaking genius! (SuperShadow: SS has an I.Q. higher than Q from Star Trek.)

Shadow, I have three quick questions. If Vader had captured Leia in Episodes 5 or 6, would he have been able to eventually figure out that she was his daughter? (SuperShadow: Yes, I think so. The dark side would have tipped Vader off that Leia was his flesh and blood.)

If so, would Vader have trained her as a Sith Lord before Luke? (SuperShadow: Vader would have tried to convert her to the dark side. Vader says so during his climactic duel with Luke Skywalker at the end of Return of the Jedi.)

Finally, after considering her high midichlorian count, would Sidious have taken her as a mate to create a powerful and loyal Sith family/dynasty? (SuperShadow: No, if Sidious were to have children, they would be a threat to Sidious. No children for the Sith.)

Anonymous said...

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supergeek said...

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Myk said...

Well yes the 4 games to 1 was pretty bad but if I remember right he had a 50 pt game in there and a couple other high scoring games. I am just saying that disputes your claim that all he did was pass to talented players. I'm not really defending him just pointing out he isn't as bad as you want to claim he is.

Biggie said...

He sucks, any point would look good on a team like that, and it wouldn't be too difficult to drop 50 when the defense is busy guarding the good players.

billy blanco said...

I like white women.

billy blanco said...

But black is right about Danica Patrick, what a dog!!!

Anonymous said...

Billy Blanco look between your crack for some wisdom

billy blanco said...

White boy says what??

deandc said...

Myk actually yes I can he came to them 3 years ago wanting a new deal. They did not even talk, that is why I can blame them we should not even be in this mess. But of course that was the same group that did not talk to HAss, or WJ and who signed winstron(wastrom I mean) to a huge deal while he has done nothing.

Myk said...

DeanDC,

Yup it sure makes sense to give someone money when they don't need to...good thing you don't own a team or else you would be handing out contracts everytime a player asks. You act like it is the teams responsibility to pay a player when the player already has a contract...what a joke.

Black,

C'mon man you are not that ignorant about Nash are you? Did he deserve the MVP? Probably not...did he have a great season? Yes. If the Suns players were sooooo good how come they were in the lotto the year before?

Sonic EJ said...

myk,

Deandc is making you look like a fool on this one.

Let's see if the Chargers let LT get to the last year of his contract. I know Vick, Manning and Moss never were alowed to go into the last year of their deals. Good teams don't let guys like Alexander sit and think about being a FA. I know you can't stand being wrong but in this case you are.

Give it up myk.

Myk said...

EJ,

Oh really I swear to god Edge James is "thinking" about becoming a FA. Wow they sure have a lot in common, older RBs that while still productive won't be in 5 years. Also, what about that WR in Philly, what is his name? Oh yeah Terell Owens, he was a FA last year (only didn't get to be one because his agent is so stupid). Lets see Curtis Martin started with the Pats, Jerome Bettis started with the Rams they both changed teams.

QBs get locked up because you can see guys like Favre and Montana have proved that they can still be productive in their mid-30s.

Biggie said...

Myk,

Do you just look on this blog and say "hmm, let's see what pointless arguemunt am I going to make today?" And then just randomly choose someone to beef wit all day?

Myk said...

Nope but if people are going to talk to down to me with incorrect information I might as well defend myself...

Myk said...

If there weren't dissenting opinions on the board what would be the point of even coming to it?

Sonic EJ said...

What is the point of this lame argument myk? That the Seahawks have handled the Alexander siuation the right way. We all know you want Alexander gone because of his "running style" and the fact that he is not a WR out of the backfield. So I can see why you side with the Hawks.

The problem is Alexander and WJ are the best players on the team.

If Holmgren would pull his head out of his ass he would see this team needs to run and run and run and keep running untill the other teams D is broken. This would keep the defense off the field. Trust me, the less that Hawks D is on the field the better their chance to win. Alexander is the key to the Seahawks season. So give the guy a break.

BTW, Nice try myk.

-James is not the player Alexander is. James is broken and Alexander's "running style" limits the punishment he takes.

-The Rams sucked balls when Bettis left.

-The Pats missed the playoffs after Martin left.

TO is a different situation. He demanded to leave SF.

Biggie said...

Myk,

From your posts/opinions whatever, it seems to me that you are the kind of sports fan who just takes all the info that the news and places like this give you and that you really don't think for yourself. It seems to me that you are really just regurgitating info that you read/hear. Formulate your own opinions. Btw, there is no need to "defend" yourself as no one is "attacking" you. RELAX!

Myk said...

Edge is not the RB that Shaun is??? Wow that is truly an amazing statement...I guess you are right when you are talking about fantasy football

How have the Seahawks not handled the situation correctly? Has not signing him to a long term deal effected his production? Same goes with Walter Jones...the two best teams in the league for the last 5 years never renegotiate contracts during the season.

Myk said...

Black,

If I say something that is my opinion then people attack me for not backing it up with facts. Any logical opinion should be based on facts or else it is easy to counter and really makes you look stupid. What is the point of just saying things that are not based in fact?

Myk said...

Black,

Also I am sorry I did not mean to say defend beacuse really I just find this an enjoyable diversion from boring days at work.

Do we always agree with opinions? No. However, it is always nice to get a good discussion going about things. I have no problem being wrong with things I just want to have facts to back it up. I don't think any arguments should be won by one person say "well that is just how I feel.."

Sonic EJ said...

Black,

Please quit attacking myk. He is a little defensive right now. LOL

Myk said...

Interesting article about the Eddy Curry situation. I didn't realize the Bulls had offered him 20 million over the next 50 years to take the test..

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/051011&num=0

Biggie said...

I'm sorry Myk, are you mad at me? :( I didn't mean to attack you.

EJ,

Is that OK??

Here's one for you Myk, I also think Alexander is better than Edge. WHAT?? WHAT SON?? WHAT??? YOU WANT SOME??? WHAT??? LOL!!!

Myk said...

I think that other than Edge's knee injury which happened 4 years ago his numbers have been just as good despite being in an offense that tries its hardest to make Peyton Manning look like god.

He catches the ball better than Shaun and his teammmates (especially Peyton) have gone out of their way to credit him with the great ability to block. I don't think he is significantly better than Shaun, but there is no way you can compare the two and their contract situation and try and claim that Edge is not in same class as Shaun.

Myk said...

You know I think it is amazing the stats that we have available to us today. You can look up Shaun Alexander on ESPN.com and just get anything you could ever imagine. One interesting stat I saw was that for as good as the left side of our line supposedly is he actually averages more YPC going to the right side.

If you compare Edge and Shaun's numbers for their top four seasons (therefore leaving out Shaun's Rookie Year and Edge's two knee injury years) you will see they are remarkably similar.

Myk said...

Final Post on Shaun...

I must admit that I am much more impressed with his ability this year than season's past. His YPC are very good, he seems to block a little better lately and he even caught a couple of passes last week. I think losing our top two WR might actually help the Hawks overall as it will force them to focus more on every aspect of the game.

His performance also really plays into another reason why the Seahawks have done a great job. By not giving him a long term deal you continue to have the carrot of a new contract in front of him to ensure that he is always giving you his all.

Sonic EJ said...

Myk,

Watch a Seahawks game. Then watch a Colts game.

It is obvious who is the better player.

Biggie said...

Myk,

They are in the same class pretty much, I just said it to rile you up. LOL!!! It worked.

supergeek said...

What kind of Homo posts shit like this????



Myk said...
I can name a couple studs:

- Matt Tuiasosopo
- Jeff Clement

However, most minor league systems are pretty bare it seems. What is the definition of stud in the first place? The Mariners had about 5 pitching studs and they flopped, Jose Lopez was supposed to be a stud and now you say that we don't have a second baseman.

Finally, just because a players numbers go down does not mean that they took steroids. If Beltre had taken steroids in 2004 and this year he struggled becauase he wasn't taking steroids you would have seen a noticeable change in his body. It is much more likely that he just wasn't that good in the first place.

Personally I think that if Ms can sign a couple pitchers and get one more LH bat they will be on track for a pretty good season with a nice young core up the middle.

2:15 PM

supergeek said...

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Myk said...

EJ,

Funny EJ that was what I did, I guess you haven't been watching the Colts this year and how Edge is leading them to victory as Ds adjust to Peyton. Look at their numbers they are basically equals..I would just rather have the guy who catches 50-60 catches a year than the guy who catches 20

Biggie said...

Yeah but shaun doesn't have good hands, you have to maximize what you've got, I mean David Boston is a beast but it's not like anyone wants to run him up the gut on 3rd and short. He's a reciever (too big for the position if you ask me, no room to stretch) and thats what he does best (in the past) Shaun is a runner RUN HIM!!!

Foulmouth said...

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Myk said...

Shaun has good hands look at his 2nd and 3rd year in the league...he either doesn't have Matt ever look at him or Shaun doesn't run his routes. Remember the 80 yard screen he got vs Minnesota that night he went off for 5 TDs

Biggie said...

Yeah but that's a screen pass, RBs are supposed to catch those. He doesn't run any real routes or catch balls over 10 yards.

Biggie said...

Why the hell doesn't Lockes' stupid ass update this damn site??
The Seahawks just beat the Rams and this clown isn't going to run his rabbit ass mouth about it, is he dead??

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Myk said...

Screen passes or swing passes would be nice to see, I think the Seahawk offense would be much more efficient if Shaun ever caught 50 balls again. Wouldn't we much rather put Shaun in a situation to catch those swing passes Ryan Hannam always seems to be making. Or wouldn't it be nice to be able to have Shaun a part of the 2 minute drill team rather than Mack Strong?

One thing to note is how many more points our team scored in 2002 and 2003 as compared to 2004

Biggie said...

Hey, where's Diez-nuts at???

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deandc said...

Long story short it is time to sign Shaun period.


Lock will only update the site when he gets the stats they make his case.

Myk said...

DeanDC,

Why is it time to resign Shaun at all costs? Do you think he will be doing this when he is 35? He will want a five year contract so even if he gives you three more productive years you will have at least 2 years of dead money on your cap.

Sonic EJ said...

Myk,

That is what is great about the NFL. Shaun will get cut as soon as his performance drops off. Sure the team will take a cap hit the year after they cut him but if they let him walk they will take a talent hit right away. It’s not like Ray Allen who is going to be collecting 16mil come hell or high water when he is 35.

Biggie said...

Very true, NFL contracts are not guaranteed, just the signing bonuses.

Myk said...

If Shaun gets a 15-20 Million dollar signing bonus that he wants over five years that means if he gets cut after year 4 the Seahawks will have a salary cap hit of 3-4 million each of the next two years. If the Seahawks can draft or sign a younger back that would be a much better usage of their cap.

Biggie said...

Shaun is the best back in the NFL right now. What do you want?? Give the guy his money, he deserves it, he's earned it. Why not give him his money, sure in 3 or 4 years he woun't be able to do this kind of stuff any more, but he's going to shatter every Seahawks rushing record on the books so to me, that equals: PAY THE MAN!!!

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deandc said...

Myk
first of all you do not know what Shaun wants no one does as he has not said so stop asssuming. Shaun in 28 so a five year contract would make him 33 at the end not 35. Again you do not gamble on a rookie RB, you keep you stud period. Martin is 32 and still running great, who is to say Shaun cannot be productive at 33.

Like I said sing the man now.

deandc said...

Sorry I meant sign him now.

Biggie said...

you type too fast dude, lol.

Myk said...

Black,

I think a back in San Diego would be very unhappy with you claiming that Shaun Alexander is the best back in Football.

DeanDC,

- Well I would think that if you guys think and Shaun thinks he is the top back in football he would want to be paid as such. I hope you aren't as shortminded to think that he is willing to take a paycut to stay here.

- To give him the bonus he would want (around 20 million). I get this round number because Clinton Portis got 17 million last year and Shaun is better than him. With Portis though the team was lucky enough to give him an 8 year deal. The Seahawks can't do that with Shaun.

- Shaun is 28 right now, if you sign him to a contract he will be 29, meaning the last year of his contract would be 34. As you pointed out Curtis Martin is 33, how are his numbers these days???

- It has proven in the past that RB is one of the easiest positions to replace in the draft. Look how well Ronnie Brown and Cadilac Williams have done. Same with Portis, LT, Edge, McGahee, Julius Jones, even Kevin Jones have been decent...a good running back typically has no problem succeeding in the NFL. If this wasn't the case why wouldn't Miami, Tampa Bay or Chicago who all need RBs have traded a SECOND ROUND pick for Shaun in this years draft and instead waste a FIRST ROUND pick on a young RB?

Biggie said...

Fine, 2nd best back in the league, 1st in the NFC.

deandc said...

Myk first of all Shaun has already said sevral timee he does not think anyone is worth Portis money enough said there.


Second I do not care if he is going to be 29 he has gotten better every year, and has never been injured and shows no signs of slowing down. As far as your look at all the teams who got backs in the draft and none would give up a 2nd round for Sa junk, if you really belive that is all there was to it your are very silly. It was not just the 2nd round, it was that and having to negotiate and the fact that most of the teams needing Rbs are several years from being really good, (excpet TB). Of the 5 rbs that came out and were supose to be good only 2 are doing decent adn one has missed 2 games to injuries already. Enough said there.

Now lets look at your 2 draft Rbs beside one missing 2 games to injuries, they are both over 300 yard and 9+tds, and 28+ First downs behind Shaun. So while they are good they are not Shaun.

You whole arguemtn is about how much you are assuming Shaun wants, but you really do not know. But you know what they say about assuming.

I will make this simple for you.


"SIGN HIM NOW"!!!!