Monday, October 03, 2005

EVANS HOLDS OUT + WEISS PLAN

The Sonics had media day this evening. Camp starts tomorrow. Here is a collection of the discussion points at Media Day.

As we reported Friday night on 950, KJR Reggie Evans is holding out until he comes to a contract agreement with the Sonics. According to sources, the Sonics offered a 2 year 5 million dollar contract. Evans’ agent is notorious for tough negotiations. The Sonics are not surprised by this development. Head Coach Bob Weiss said he knows what Evans can do, but they will put heavy focus on defense in the opening of camp and the 4 spot will be won by defense. Defensive rotations have not always been a strong point for Evans.
The 4 position will be the most interesting battle in camp. Weiss says he would like to bring Collison off the bench. He really likes the combination of Fortson and Collison on the floor together. However, Weiss did say that Collison will finish games for the Sonics. He also noted that Collison was far and away the best defensive forward on the team last season. According to Weiss, Collison is shooting the ball great.
Weiss also said in some ways he likes the combo of Reggie and Vitaly better then the combo of Reggie and Jerome James last season, because Reggie and James were two non-shooters.
He also mentioned the idea of starting Vlady Radmanovic as the 4 and playing the way Phoenix did last season.

Bob Weiss main point was that last year’s team was within one shot of pushing the World Champs to Game 7 and they did with a terrible defensive team statistically.
In an attempt to change that he will put heavy focus on transition defense and being a more focused defensive unit.
This will be done primarily in two ways. He says every play in the NBA is built around the 1st, 2nd and 3rd option. His design is to guard those 3 with 5. He talked about a concept of contain, help and help the helper.
They have hired Brendon Malone, a long time NBA assistant to join the staff. Malone has worked with both Hubie Brown and Chuck Daly in his career.
Bob Hill, another new assistant, has also with Brown and Larry Brown. They both bring heavy defensive knowledge.
The defense will be much simpler with just 2 ways to play the mid pick and roll and 1 on way to play the side. The hope is that will improve execution.

Practices will be much more 5 on 5. Weiss will take an idea from Jeff Van Gundy. Before each practice the team will hold a “forum” and then go out and practice which should help the flow and conditioning.

Style offensively will be more focused on a fast break. Weiss felt last year’s focus on the secondary break often got players thinking of where they should go on the second part of the break rather then focusing on how to score in the initial break. Weiss wants the basketball skills to be free to show. On the break he wants penetration and then play basketball.

56 comments:

Lance Uppercut said...

Curry trade the Knicks. Wonder why Seattle couldn't get in on that?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4929910

Sonic EJ said...

Nice job Sonics. Did you guys even make the call? Eddie Curry could have been the low post player this team has needed over the last 5 years. I can't wait to see what it took to get the deal done.

Myk said...

Posted this in the UW thread:

I will say one thing totally off the subject...Reggie Evans is an idiot. Love the quotes from the Times article today:

"I'm looking at this like, they are going to take care of the people who they feel is important," Evans said several weeks ago. "Everybody else, well, we got to take what's left. Does that make me feel good? No. But that's how it's always been with me and this team."

Umm yeah the team has always treated him like crap. I mean most teams bring in undrafted FA, sign him and start him and let him play even though he can't make a layup. How about being greatful for the fact that this NBA actually gave him a chance..geez.

Also, love this part of the article:

At the start of free agency, Evans was seeking a six-year deal similar to the $36 million contract Dan Gadzuric received from Milwaukee.

Umm if he thinks he is worth $6million a year then he might want to consider looking into an available mental institution.

Myk said...

I agree that the Sonics should have at least checked in (maybe they did) although I personally would prefer not to see a guy collapse in Key Arena. I hope he is OK.

It looks like a salary dump by NY to Chicago. Wonder who the Bulls are targeting next year in the FA market?

One hard thing about not having any real bad contracts on your books is it is hard to trade to teams just looking to get under tha cap

Sonic EJ said...

Associated Press


DEERFIELD, Ill. -- The Bulls dealt center Eddy Curry to the New York Knicks on Monday, ending a contentious negotiation in which Chicago insisted the restricted free agent take a DNA test over a heart problem.

Chicago also sent veteran center Antonio Davis to the Knicks, who traded away forwards Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney and Jermaine Jackson. Several draft choices also changed hands in the deal, according to an executive in the Eastern Conference who spoke on condition of anonymity.


WTF Sonics? Tim Thomas and Michael Sweetney? This is crap. Vlade and someone would have got the deal done. Plus we waste our draft picks anyway, no reason not to throw them in the deal.I hate Sonics management!!!

JohnS said...

Sweetney is the steal in this trade. He already has a better efficiency rating than Curry in his second year. My guess is that they move Chandler to center and start Sweetney at PF. That is an absolutely sick rebounding front line. Thomas comes off the bench backing up Deng.

They are the winners in this trade by a long shot, even if they don't get some draft picks.

Scott said...

Curry is absolute trash. It's scary some people don't get that.

No defense, no rebounding, no heart....no reason to have him on the team.

Myk said...

EJ,

Two things:

- How do you know that Vlade gets the trade done..it seems like they were really just trying to get rid of contracts. And like the otehr post said Sweetney is a pretty good player

- Weren't you the one that wanted more D? We certainly weren't getting that from Curry

Locked on Sports said...

A few things here.
Curry is not all that. He is notoriouslty lazy. His numbers are shallow. His defense is awful and his rebounding is minimal.
The Sonics did talk with Curry early in the off-season before the heart issue became a bigger issue.
The Sonics can't trade Vlady or Flip without their consent based on the 1 year tender.

Sonic EJ said...

Vlade is every bit as good as Tim Thomas and Fortson would be as productive as Sweetney for the Bulls.

Vlade would start over Deng so I don't think he would have had a problem with the deal.

I don't know if the Sonics could have pulled off the deal for Curry but it would have been nice to find out for sure.

What direction is this team trying to go? In a couple of years Vlade will be long gone, Ray is going to be past his prime, and Rashard is going to be trying to skip town if the team is not winning. I’m watching this team unravel before my eyes and it is killing me. I hope Swift or Petro show something this year because the Sonics really need it.

Sonic EJ said...

So my boy Reggie is acting like an idiot. This situation is not good. I don't know what to think of Reggie anymore. In the past I have never seen Reggie put himself before the team and that is what he is doing now. He will probably end up in Portland or with the T-Wolves.

Biggie said...

Myk,

Yeah I agree I think Reggie Should be a little grateful. I mean when you listen to D. Wilk one of the first things out of his mouth is how much he appreciates the Sonics for giving him an opportunity. I think if you are an undrafted NBA player you should think yourself lucky you get to do one of the best jobs in the world. If you deserve the big contract than by all means ask, but aside from having alot of heart and being a great rebounder, Reggie doesn't do much else. When he has the ball on offense I yell "pass it out" almost as much as I did when Polynice had the rock. Not comparing Evans to Polynice I like Reggie too much to disrespect him like that. LOL

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Anonymous said...

Black,

You can't handle the truth black. Sorry.

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Anonymous said...

Black,

Evans has been smoking too much crack. We all know the real starting power forward is Collison. He's got better skills offensively and defensively. Even the poll show that he whould start!!!

Biggie said...

Yes the poll SHOWS that, I also agree Collison is much better, I've been watching Nick since Kansas I watched him in the Final Four every year, me liking Nicks' game is no secret on this blog, do your homework. What, are you trying to rile me up with this crap??

Biggie said...

anyways Weiss' dumbass looks like he wants to start Vlady at the 4.

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Biggie said...

You can't even bye a clue, huh?? go back and READ my post that you are replying to, you missed something, idiot.

Biggie said...

buy, sorry

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Biggie said...

Careful, don't hurt yourself.

Anonymous said...

Didn't understand my post?? Would you like me to spell it out for you again????

billy blanco said...

I don't know Why you guys attack black, and I especially don't know why he would respond to it, it is very immature. But, if I had to keep score it would be:

Black - 100
Anonymous - 2

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billy blanco said...

Wow you took spanish, I did say something can't you read??

billy blanco said...

but since you missed it and since I'm such a nice guy I will re-post it for you.

I don't know Why you guys attack black, and I especially don't know why he would respond to it, it is very immature. But, if I had to keep score it would be:

Black - 100
Anonymous - 2

you're welcome, read slowly.

Myk said...

EJ,

It seems very obvious that the purpose of this trade for the Bulls was to get rid of Curry (worried about his heart) AND dump salary. They did this by getting rid of Antonio Davis' contract. The only way to do this was to add Tim Thomas to the mix. Therefore, it really doesn't mean anything if Vlade is better or worse that Thomas (altough the gap there is not as big as you think). Thomas makes like 12 million this year and it comes off the books. Vlade makes 3 million (can't be traded anyway) and I am sure that the Bulls wouldnt have wanted to give him a big contract that would have been required for the Sonics to take on Antonio Davis.

Like I said the only problem in the NBA about not having bad contracts is that you can't be apart of these salary cap clearing trades.

Biggie said...

are the Knicks on crack?? Why would you throw Sweetney in this deal?? Dude is a stud and only getting better, Eddie Curry didn't even average double figures in rebounding in high-school. WTF is Isaiah thinking????

Anonymous said...

blanco (white who wants to be black),

Congrats you can repeat what you said five minutes ago!!! You have superior mental capacities!!!

billy blanco said...

No, I posted that due to the fact that you said I had nothing to say, when in fact I did. Gringo.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the scorekeeping, do you do this as a profession douchebag?

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mort goldstein said...

Hey it's rosh hashanna can't we all just get along???

Myk said...

Why spend all this time talking smack to each other it is just pointless...if you are going to bitch and moan atleast leave it at sports

Myk said...

Black,
I agree, I think that Sweetney is actually better than Vlade in the long run.

There are also draft picks involved which I am sure good ones going from NY and bad ones going from CHI

Biggie said...

Does Isaiah have a vendetta against new york?? It looks like he is trying to run that franchise into the ground. I feel sorry for Nate the Great.

Diezel said...

locke.... look at currys numbers dude they have gone up every year's he's been in the league!!!! plus he is a high school kid who is just now coming into his own... u obviously spent too much time watching/covering the Storm because if u watched the wizards series Curry was the main reason the lost because guys like Etan Thomas was killing them!!!!

I wonder why the sonics signed Flip or Ric Brunson when they could have had Rafer "skip to my Lou" Alston who is a better pg right now then either Flip or Brunson and is argueably better than Luke!!! once again the sonics manangement dropped the ball.

I cant wait for the season to start, so we can see who was right Me, Black and EJ or MYK..

I am still amazed Amare signed without going on the market, the guy is a toatl stud!! he would have got totally paid.

Whos with me on this one, let Vlade go at the end of the season, and put all that money into trying to get Tayshaun Prince, I know u guys would love that, because a lineup of Rashard, Tayshaun, Nick, Ray and another pg would be dynamic!!! myk.... i hope this isn't too fantasy for u.

Biggie said...

Word, I'd buy that for a dollar!!!!

Myk said...

Diezel:

- So lets see, you want to not sign Ray Allen because he is a defensive liability. You talk smack about Rashards D, or lack there of. However, you want to sign dough boy Eddy Curry? Talk about contradicting yourself.

- Raefer might be decent but he makes starters money. When Luke comes up you would have two PGs that make starters money. Is that what you would want to do with your cap space. (This is just a questoin not a comment either way..) Also, who would you have traded for Alston?

- What do you mean you can't wait until the season starts so you can see who is right? What have ever about the Sonics season? If I were to make a prediction I think they will have somewhere between 38 and 43 wins. All I have said about you guys is that you bitch about moves that the Sonics couldn't have made. That the talent that you want isn't out there to be gotten (or at least not as easily as you seem to think it would be).

- Why would Amare care about going onto the open market? He is going to make the max which is more than any other team could have give him??? Now he has his money guaranteed in case he ever gets hurt.

- I think Tayshaun would be a good pick up but it would have to go with some sort of trade for Rashard. There is no way you can say Rashard's D isn't any good and then expect him to play (and defend the 4). However, I wouldn't get my hopes up because I think that Detroit knows he is a star (despite his numbers) and give him a very nice contract.

Also, if I could chose any FA from Detroit it would be Ben Wallace. If for some reason Detroit decided they did not want him (maybe Darko starts playing..) the Sonics should definately try for him. He would be a perfect fit for them, Reggie times 100.

Myk said...

Black,

- Isaiah has the problem that certain sports fans seem to have. He just keeps making trades to make trades. As long as he can keep doing that there will always be news and the fans can't focus on how crappy the teams are. Isaiah and Bob Whissitt are perfect examples of why you guys should be happy that we dont have some dumbass as a GM who decides he needs to waste cap space and money just to make a splash with the fans.

Biggie said...

I like the way you spun that last comment. You're sharp I'll give you that. Ben Wallace plays the 5 in the east alot of the 5's in the east are too small to play the 5 in the west.

Myk said...

Black,

Why are alot of 5s in the east too small to play 5s in the West? I mean Shaq plays in the East now so the only center you have to contend with is Yao and I dont think you need to be tall to guard them. I would be willing to give up an edge to a few guys forhis 15 boards, 3blks and 2 steals a game. Only issue I see with him is age. Might be hard to justify having both Ray Ray and Ben be your biggest salary guys in a few years. However, if you can sign Prince and somehow flip Rashard into a big man I am OK with that as well.

Biggie said...

Shaq not included dude, I actually expected you to make that connection on your own. The east plays different ball than the west in the last 15 years it has been the norm to see centers in the east at like 6'9" and 6'8" while guys in the west were like 7'3". It's changing a little but it's still two different games.

Myk said...

Black

What centers are you talking about?

SA: Mohammed? Duncan? He can guard Timmy as good as anyone else can.

Phx: Kurt Thomas?

Houston: Yao

Dallas: Dampier? He can't guard Dampier?

Sacramento: Do you think that Brad Miller would have had all those drives in the lane during the playoffs with Big Ben?

Denver: Camby?

Memphis: Lorenzen Wright?

Seriously, I think they should rename the center postions: ShaqFu or something beceause he is far and away the only true "Center" in the game. Yao and Big Z in Cleveland are the only other 3 worth even considering. It is true that there are a ton of dominant PFs out there but they are all the same size as Ben.

Biggie said...

MYK,

OK, whatever you say.

Diezel,

I was just on Insidehoops.com and they said R. Alston went to houston for Mike James. WTF Sonics???????

Myk said...

Black,

Listen it probably isn't even worth talking about because I am sure Wallace will resign with Detroit, but I mean really there aren't any Centers anywhere these days. I think the NBA is going to a different form of positions where you have two post players and two wing players with a point.

I remember when I was younger (early 90's) seeing something where they projected what the heights of NBA players would be in 10 to 15 yeards and they had seven footers playing SG and Cs would be 7'5". What seems to be happening is every team just has 5 or 6'9 - 6'11 guys and they let them play.

Biggie said...

That's true, but with our two bigs and I heard that chinas' got like ten cats Yaos' size, we'll see. Ben will be too old by then anyways.

Diezel said...

myk... i will give u the fact that Curry is not a defensive stopper 1blk/ per game but they guys 23 years old is a legit center averaged 16.5 points a game last year, was 5th in the NBA in FG percentage behind Shaq, Amare, Yao, and Haslem other thatn Haslem those other guys are freaking studs!!!! and he is a 70% free throw shooter. Plus as I stated before the guys has improved his scoring every year he's been in the league.

The fact that he's only 23 also is a major factor, what do u think they were saying before Jermaine O'neal left Portland???? exactly.

Who's to say that we should PAY Luke??? the guy has not proved to me that he deserves a max contract or anything near that!!


U always are ripping me for making supposed fantasy trades but dude, u really think the Pistons are going to let Ben Wallace go and play Darko, r u crazy???? that was about as bad as the guy who thought the Sonics had a chance at Lebron.

The front of the NBA page on espn.com has this huge pic of GP in a Heat jersey, its sad how GP is just chasing the ring ala Bones Barry. I love GP but dang this is ridicioulous.

Sonic EJ said...

I can see I didn't miss much this afternoon. Myk trying really hard to fit in by coming up with his own 'crazy ideas' like the guys do, Diezel shredding myk for contradicting himself, and black generally trying to ignore myk. (Good idea, I should probably try it but I can’t help myself right now.) lol

myk,
Why don't you cut the Sonics fans a little slack when they get pissed? Even you admit the team got a lot worse (at least 10 games) this off season. I can’t believe you spend so much time defending a team you think is going to be average at best. Are you retarded??? If you really are then I’m sorry but if not…man you sure act like it some times.

Ben Wallace???

Myk said...

Diezel,

- The only question I asked about Curry is why do we give big money to Hughes who has had one good year because he is good at D but don't care about Curry?

- I didn't say that Luke deserved or will ever deserve Max money, but if you already had Alston making starters money does that mean you wuoldn't sign Luke. Is Alston better than Luke? Where is the upgrade here?

- Based on age I would bet that there is a significantly more likely chance that the Pistons will resign Tayshaun than Ben Wallace, that was my only point. Also, if you guys took the time to read all the posts I even said to one referring to Black that it was probably a waste of time because the chances of something like that happening were very small.

EJ,

- At what point did I contradict myself? Also, to be like you I would I have to bitch and moan about the Sonics not doing it. There is a difference between thinking of changes and complaining because something didn't happen.

- I dont think that the Sonics are going to get "10 games worse than last year". I believe that the Sonics were lucky to win that many games last year, and unlucky enough to lose so many games the year before so it really is just going to fall into the middle.

It is kind of sad that after all this time you guys still don't understand what I am talking about. How the Sonics are going to do has nothing to do with anything, the problem I have with your complaining about the Sonics is it is really 95% baseless. You all want to make trades for no reason "a'la Isaiah". All of you say you want a defensive team but then you want to trade for Curry or Alston (may get steals but he doesn't play good D). There is no reason to get mad at the Sonics for things they couldn't do. Save it for things that they can control.

As you can see with my rants about the Hawks and the Dawgs I am not some laid back fan, I just think that you lose the message if you are always complaining...cry wolf too many times and then no one comes when it is actually necessary.

Scott said...

I swear you guys want the Sonics to suck. It's the only explination.

Wanting Eddy Curry and Rafer Alston. Curry may average 16 a game but he gives up 25. Outside of Jerome James there might not be a worse rebounding Center in the NBA. 5.6 boards a game at close to 7 foot in 28 minutes a game is pathetic. Alston's a head case, him and Fortson on the same team is a horrible idea. Same with Curry and Fortson actually.

PS, the only reason the Antonio Davis and Tim Thomas contracts were added into the Eddy Curry deal was to get around the salary cap issue. With Thomas/Davis involved the two teams were able to get inside the 25% bubble to make deals work.