Wednesday, August 03, 2005

STEROIDS YES OR NO?

Who would you play the game with? Go to the comment zone and nominate names and see what people say?

82 comments:

Locked on Sports said...

Pete Rose?

catch-22 said...

Jim Edmonds. He seems like a prime candidate to me.

In 7 years in Anaheim he hit 30 home runs only once. He goes to St. Lous(Mark McGwire) and immidietly hits 42.

Here are his stats:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/e/edmonji01.shtml

Anonymous said...

Todd Helton-- the guy hits 49 bombs in 01, then drops to 30 the last 3 years. now with testing in place, he's been hurt and only has 11 homeruns... completely falling off the map. Was it really Coors Field? or the Juice??

purple dog said...

I've got two individuals. Mike Piazza and Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. Pudge's home run totals fell drastically. This may be because he moved from Texas to Detroit, but there is also a lot less of Pudge than there used to be.

With Piazza, he was just totally ripped during his Dodger days. I find it hard to believe that with all of the pounding he took playing catcher everyday that he would still be able to put up those power numbers without some "special" help. Besides, he was a really low draft pick. I know that low round baseball draft picks can pan out, but they are normally pitchers, not power hitting catchers.

catch-22 said...

I would say a strong yes to Pudge. Piazza, I wouldn't be surprised.

Garrett said...

Pudge is so much smaller this year. In my mind, Sosa and Pudge were both outed by the way they looked this year.

Anonymous said...

well if ryan franklin took steroids anybody can be a steroids user.

Ben said...

The reason why Helton hit 49 bombs was because he was in coors field but besides that has anyone mentioned Mike Lowell and his Boone esque drop off

catch-22 said...

Helton was still in Coors Field when his numbers dropped off as well.

Anonymous said...

edgar martinez...couldn't stay healthy towards the end. i realize he is mr. mariner but if you can see past that he is a prime candidate

J_sor said...

Randy Johnson

Anonymous said...

Joel Pineiro

Shawn McLaughlin said...

How about Roger Clemens? He looked cooked in 96-7 before his trade to Toronto. Suddenly, he wins 3 more Cy Youngs (or was it 4) after his 35th birthday. Of course, there is no sign of skills deterioration, so who knows?

Locked on Sports said...

Joel is interesting. Might explain some things. Clemens could you imagine what it would do if he failed a test. THe #1 hitter, Bonds and #1 pitcher in the history of the game.
Edmonds. I am big believer in the check his teammates theory and it works there. Does for Pudge too

Garrett said...

Thome? Seems like he came up with decent but not insane power.

Anonymous said...

Randy Johnson is a good one. The M's thought his back was gone. Comes back good as ever and no back problems since. Look what's happened this year.

Paco said...

How about Brady Anderson? 50 home runs in 1996, and never more than half of that the rest of his career.

Luis Gonzalez also looks pretty iffy as well. 2001 was either a real break out year, or he was juiced.

The real problem is that someone having a career year will never look the same again.

Anonymous said...

Locke would love this - NBA - Karl Malone!

catch-22 said...

I think most people consider Anderson a steroid user.

I would say yes to Gonzalez too.

Paco said...

Matt Williams, kind of like Jeff Kent, played with Bonds and started doing roids in SF.

Anonymous said...

Don't think Edgar because his home run production is average. Doubles were his claim to fame. Maybe Jay Buhner though.

Anonymous said...

Steroid use in baseball must be like Pot smoking in High School.

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Dognutz said...

ohhh

dOGNUTZ said...

All white athletes take steroids, including Lance Armstrong.

DOGNUTZ said...

ANYONE WHO POSTS AS ANONYMOUS IS GAY, AND THAT'S GROSS.

Whack Job said...

Hey, if Edgar was juicing, I never want to find out

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dognutz said...

David Locke sucks cock.

DOGNUTZ said...

Groz w/ Gas takes it in the ass. LOL

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DOGNUTZZZZZZZZ said...

I'd love to see Elise on her Knees.

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Black said...

I'm down with that, yo. Keep it up Dnutz.

Anonymous said...

Current OR prior offenders:
Steroids OR HGH:

Moises Alou
The Killer B's: Bagwell Berkman, Biggio
Roger Clemens - hasn't anyone noticed that his head and neck are now 2x the size they used to be in Boston?
Randy Johnson
Adrian Beltre
Bret Boone
Pudge (no longer an appropriate nickname)
Albert Pujols (how can this guy be *that* good - and his legs look like the "pudgy" version of Pudge Rodriguez)
Scott Rolen Now that testing means something in 2005: less than .400 SLG% and 1 HR every 25AB with .235 average. Oops.
Jim Edmonds - (how many Cardinals are/were on the juice anyway? Steroid use definitely was concentrated on the Cards, 'Stros, and Rangers)
Juan Gonzalez - how else do you explain his strained-everything every year? (plus he played in Texas, where everything is bigger, even the steroid users)
Sosa (a no-brainer),
Palmeiro (1 HR in first 31 games this year before getting stupid)
Sheffield
Schilling - his K's per nine innings after he turned 31 is much higher than his years prior
JT Snow - 1 HR every 115 at bats this year. What!?
Luis Gonzalez - come on! 57 HRs in 2001 after 10HR in 1997 with Houston?!
Jason Kendall - 0 HR (that's ZERO!) home runs in 400 ABs this year. He had 14 in 2000
Todd Helton: 1 HR in April this year AND 1 HR in June? Does Coors Field have slumps too?
and finally...Julio Franco - did you see how skinny this guy was when he came up with the Phillies/Indians in, what, 1948?

...that's enough for now

DOGNUTZZZZZZZZ said...

Fake black,
Why do you keep talking to me?? If we were in the same room I'd be beatin yo ass. So what's up??? Why such a homo??

Black said...

Yo fake black...you better answer dnutz...

Biggie said...
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Black said...

Yo dnutz - we gotta do something about fake black. That honky ain't never been to no hood.

DOGNUTZZZZZZZZZ said...

DUDE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!

Black said...

Yo dnutz, where's the love, brutha? Let's go give some honkies the beat down tonight, I got some OE, got some blunts.

DOGNUTZZZZZZZZZ said...

WOW!!!!!!!! Who the F*** drinks old E anymore. Sooooooo corny, if you going to pretend to be black at least keep up with things, DAMN!!!

Black said...

FAKE BLACK, CLOSE YOUR MOUTH BEFORE I CLOSE IT FOR YOU.

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Anonymous said...

How bout Troy Glaus

Biggie said...
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Anonymous said...

Has anyone found the banned substance list on the net? If so, is Andro*, 19Nora*, etc. on the list? I'm sure these types of enhancers are child's play for athletes with professional trainers. If these items are on the list, then the numbers will be in the 90 percentile range.

Ok, has anyone wondered about Tino Martinez? Also, I heard Joel Pineiro speak on the subject a while ago on "Mitch in the morning". Love to hear that interview again and analyze it. He did not come off as 'Strongly' opposed.
--JohnN

DOGNUTZZZZZZZZZ said...

Damn. Groz is back. He sounds like he's been on a steady diet of penis'.

Black said...

Yo dnutz, what up dog? Got a problem with the Groz...you always liked him before when we was coming up.

DOGNUTZZZZZZZZZ said...

We are witnessing a white boys fantasy. Talking crap to black folks w/ no repercussions. LOL

Black said...

Fake black is definitely whack. Straight up whack. Punk thinks he can act like a black man.

Anonymous said...

You are the biggest piece of crap ever dude. I hope you know this.

Anonymous said...

"If any baseball player gets caught taking steroids after what major-league baseball went through in the offseason -- the bad publicity, the congressional hearings, all the criticism of players by fans and the media -- it shows he doesn't have any respect for the game." -- JOE MORGAN

Jayson Stark's a devoted baseball fan? I don't think Jayson gets it...Joe Morgan DOES get it. By the way, Joe is a "Steriod No".

--JohnN

Anonymous said...

Black,

your son caught you dressing up as a woman and he was somewhat confused. Could you be more of a better role model for him so that he isn't questioning his identity?
Thanks for saving the planet.

The one and only anonymous one!!!

Biggie said...
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Anonymous said...

Hey Dave, can't you block someone from posting here?

Anonymous said...

Locke, tell me again why steroids are so bad? Could it be that all you who are so up in arms are just wildly ignorant on the topic. Quit believing all that big bro tells you. Educate yourself!

Kevin

Anonymous said...

Ban the black!!!!!!!!!!!please!!!!!

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Anonymous said...

ban the black ban the black ban the blackban the black ban the black ban the black ban the black ban the black ban the black ban the black and dognutz too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous said...

I can't call you the N word because you are a white guy pretending to be black. Nice try.
Did you notice there are probably several different anonymous posts making fun of you everyday. Oh, on second thought I forgot that your H E R O is your son because he has an elementary education that you wish you could have attained, but dropped out instead. The reason stated in White Center Elementary was "lack of mental capacity and being picked on by the African American students for rubbing charcoal on his face daily. LOL

Anonymous said...

Black,

you couldn't differentiate one guy making fun of you from another on this site!!!!

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Myk said...

I found the long laundry list of players interesting, it seems like any player who has been good and is slumping this year is a steroid user...that is MLBs biggest problem.

As for Anonymous's item about Joe Morgan. Personally I think Joe Morgan is a arrogent fool. You read his columns and chats on ESPN.com he always come off like he knows everything and only his opinion counts. Just because Jayson Stark admits that he doesn't know how to quantify the steroid problem does not mean he doesn't get it. At least he takes his HOF votes seriously and is even minded enough to think through all sides of the story.

Finally, I dont know why everyone has a problem with the numbers that were created with players on steroids. It is hillarious that people say that Bonds has tainted records that shouldn't be counted because he cheated but we are supposed to think Babe Ruth was the greatest player ever even though he only played against white people. Bring Babe Ruth to the year 2005 where he has to face:

- Minority Athletes
- Pitching Specialist
- 1000xs more media

and he is a good player but probably not the god everyone treats him like. Everything in baseball is relative.

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Paco said...

What I think is funny is how we define clean. Even if steroids were banned, and we have a perfect testing system for them, we know that major league players still take amphetamines. I'm not sure that any record in sports really has meaning anymore.

Anonymous said...

There's only one pea brained white kid that post as black and that is you S T U P I D!!!!

Anonymous said...

Black,

I can't agree that most of our women are bow legged because of you because you are below elementary level and in order for women to be tricked into having sex is you have to have some type of mental capacity to engage them into conversation to lead to this. Remember what the White Center Elementary School described you as when you were kicked out? Of course you can't because you lack the brain capcaity. Heck, even Mike Tyson is smarter than you and that's someone who bit
Evander's ear off, married Robin Givens, and made a stupid comment that the reason for his lack of punching power was because it was "spinal". Mike Tyson is smarter than black. I find that amusing LOL!!!!!!!

Filthy Mcgreedy said...

Pete Rose has gotta be pissed. All he did was bet on games and knock out Ray Fosse.

Mike Barer said...

Babe Ruth faced slower pitchers, who pitched possibly two games in a row. There were no black nor hispanics in the league. So he was not really playing against the best this nation had to offer. It would have been interesting to face Ruth off against Koufax, Gibson, or Marichel.

Anonymous said...

More evidence that the MLBPA just doesn't get it: they're going to file a grievance against the league because someone leaked the name of the "substance". Now, I don't much like the owners' role in this whole thing - willingness to ignore it as long as the game was more exciting - but c'mon! They should be coming out a condemning Palmeiro, not siding with him!

Myk said...

Anonymous,
You need to understand that this is what a Union is meant to do, it needs to protect its own. That would kind of be like saying that Public Defenders are stupid because they are representing so many criminals.

Anonymous said...

Ichiro? If Ryan Franklin does, could Ichi?

Anonymous said...

frank thomas?

Raul Duke said...

Beltre? Think he juiced last year for his contract then got off? His numbers this year are the same as all previous years.

the real world!!!! said...

all of you just need to get a FUCKING LIFE and get off your asses and do something with your life than post faggoty retarted comments and sit by the computer to wait for the faggoty reply so you can giggle and get a hard on and then go WANKERBATE by yourself in a dark room. thank you

same guy who went on the rant before said...

and yes thomas and beltre were users