Saturday, August 06, 2005

NO OFFER SHEET FOR WILKINS FROM TIMBERWOLVES

In today’s Seattle Times it was reported that the Minnesota Timberwolves will sign Damien Wilkins a 5 year $15 million offer sheet.
I just spoke with Timberwolves head coach Dwane Casey and he said that is not accurate. “There is sincere interest from the Minnesota Timberwolves but there is no formal offer sheet extended to Damien Wilkins.” Minnesota doesn’t want to have its money tied up the seven day period of restricted free agency.
In addition, the report in the Times said that the Sonics are unlikely to match. The word around the NBA is very different. The Sonics have told Wilkins agent Mark Bartelstein that they will match offers for Wilkins.
An issue that has not be discussed is that Wilkins may not want to return to Seattle. Bartelstein has told the Sonics that his client would like to go some place where he can start. With the Sonics Wilkins chances are minimal for significant playing time with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis ahead of him on the depth chart. Whereas in the other cities that are suiting Wilkins he would have a chance to start.
Minnesota is very interested in Wilkins, Flip Murray and Reggie Evans. At the current time Minnesota can’t afford to have their money tied up in an offer sheet. However, it is fair to anticipate that at some point Minnesota will extend an offer sheet to either Wilkins or Murray. Minnesota will try to make the Sonics decided.
Other teams interested are Atlanta and Denver.

100 comments:

Shawnypickle said...

A couple of thoughts. First...I'm not sure I want guys who are more concerned with their minutes than with what they do when they are on the court. Wilkins, if he is in the four guard rotation, would probably get significant minutes because he can shift to the 3 for certain match-ups. That would mean Murray would probably go to Minnesota. However, Flip has done very little "politicking" for playing time in the press, and didn't complain last year after the team started having success. If he could be more succesful in Weiss' system and approximate (to some extent) his `03-04 #'s, I'd probably rather see him in Seattle than Wilkins, especially if Damien was so emotionally tied to Nate. Also, what type of return could we expect in a sign & trade with the `Wolves for Wilkins, or for Murray? Is Vladdy truly going to be happy in Seattle playing the 4? What does anyone (Locke included) think about a sign and trade with Charlotte for Jamal Magloire?

Philthy said...

Hi Locke,

Can you please respond to all the talk from Sonics fans about Jamaal Magloire? What do you think about the Sonics acquiring him? Is it realistic? Is it wise? What would it take to get him in a Sonics uniform, and do you think it would be worth it? I haven't heard much about Magloire's summer stock outside of commenters' speculations. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

If the Hornets were interested in Radmanovic, why would they be stockpiling swingmen? (Nachbar, Snyder, Rasual Butler, Macijauskas.)

The Hornets are so uninterested even Chad Ford hasn't bothered with this rumor.

Anonymous said...

Also, what would it take to get PJ Brown?

Fortson and a #1?

PJ and the Hornets #1 for Vlade?

Garrett said...

Locke -- like the other posters have said, is there anyone on the Timberwolves that would work with a sign and trade? I really don't think Flip and Wilkins are that important -- they seem to be the types of players that are dime a dozen in the NBA. Flip -- a shoot first point, or too-small 2 guard. Wilkins -- a SF with no left hand and mediocre long range game. I don't see paying a ton of cash for either guy. Seems like we need a defensive perimeter player and a starting C a lot more....

Anonymous said...

Locke,

Why can't the Sonics use the new "Amnesty" rule to get rid of Fortson's contract the same way the Knicks did with A.Houston or the Blazers with D. Anderson ? He's the only bad contract still left on the Sonics & it would clear up some cap room to go after a more quality big man than Potapenko or D.Davis.

Kenny0873 said...

The whole purpose of the amnesty rule is to rid a team of a contract of someone who is either making an insane amount of money or a guy who isn't playing in proportion to what his contract dictates he should. James would have been a great example of that, but I can't really think of a guy on the roster that we're overpaying. Fortson isn't making a lot and I think he has and will continue to be worth what he's paid.

Kenny0873 said...

Besides....the Sonics are under the cap and wouldn't be able to use the amnesty rule to begin with. It's just a tool to avoid the luxury tax, which does not apply to Seattle.

Kenny0873 said...

The only way Fortson gets waived is if Seattle goes nuts and overpays a couple of guys and gets themselves over the cap. I didn't realize he is getting around $6.5M this year. That's not good, but I don't see him getting waived.

Anonymous said...

Fortson is the third highest paid player on the team right now at $6.2 million so he's definately overpaid. But if we can't use the "amnesty" rule then it's a mute point anyway. I do think his inside toughness & relentless rebounding was one of the biggest keys to us getting off to a great start last year, but his performance on & off the court gradually deterioated as the season went on. Hopefully coach Weiss can get Danny back to playing the way he was the 1st half of last year, it would be huge for our team.

Anonymous said...

Someone in another post brought up the idea of a Fortson for Lorenzen Wright trade. They have fairly similar contracts & apparently Memphis is trying to move him. Don't know how realistic it is, but I think it's a great idea.

Anonymous said...

At the start of the off-season I really wanted Wilkins back, but I never thought he would be commanding this kind of interest on the market. He might become a nice player but I don't understand how a team can justify giving him a 5 year contract. I mean he had a good run for about 1/3rd of one season. And now his agent says that he wants to start. Please...

Garrett said...

I'm not sure Wilkins has even had a 1/3 of a good season. I thought he was tough in the playoffs and stepped in well for Vlad at times, but mediocre 2s and 3s in the NBA can be had for less.

Doug Christie is going to be waived by Orlando. What about him as a defensive minded 2/3? If he is healthy, that is.....

And Lorenzen Wright as a starting center would be a great move given what the Sonics are looking at now.

AK1984 said...

Look, if the Minnesota Timberwolves are looking for both Damien Wilkins and Ronald Murray, then good. Sign 'em both and trade 'em away for Michael Olowokandi. Okay, sure, the "Kandi Man" might not be the greatest center in the league, but he's a servicable stop-gap in the post for one season.

The luxury tax doesn't take effect until a team's payroll is at $61.7 million; the Sonics aren't even close to that amount.

If the Sonics are looking to get rid of Danny Fortson, then sending him and a couple of the foreign guys the Sonics have (i.e., Peter Fehse, Paccelis Morlende, & Mickael Gelabale) -- if not all three of 'em -- to Memphis for Lorenzen Wright doesn't seem like too bad of an idea.

Olowokandi & Wright could each play 24 minutes a night, and do a decent job for the 2005-2006 season at the center position.

AK1984 said...

Look, I think that no matter what the possibilities of obtaining a big guy are -- from Tyson Chandler to Michael Olowokandi -- it is noted that the Sonics are short two legitimate centers.

As it is, Robert Swift and Johan Petro need to go to the NBDL, and both of their play during the Rocky Mt. Review verifed that; neither of 'em would do a damn bit of good on the Sonics active roster.

The only justifiable reason for bringing back Vladimir Radmanovic is if he's stupid 'nough to play for just $3,166,155 for one season -- (God, doesn't he realize that a torn ACL or somethin' would kill him financially?) -- then so be it. However, that'll mean he needs to do a solid job at the 4 -- which is doubtful -- and Nick Collison will be regulated to playing 16 minutes at the end of thefirst/third quarter & the beginning of second/fourth quarter, and that's not where he belongs. The Sonics would be best off by keeping Danny Fortson (& trading for Jamaal Magloire) or re-signing Reggie Evans (& trading for Lorenzen Wright), and starting him for the first six minutes of every quarter, while Nick Collison plays the last six minutes of every quarter; they'd make a solid tandem at the 4.

By the way, no matter what, the Sonics still need a reserve small forward and shooting guard, with guys like either Walter McCarty or Rodney White at the three, and either Maurice Evans, Jon Barry or Richie Frahm being decent options at the two.

Anonymous said...

We don't need a center. There aren't any good ones out there. don't just make a trade for anybody unless that player is a legit player. Kandiman and Magloire are marginal or below average players.

hsshoops said...

Anyone who thinks the Sonics doesn't need a center is thinking out of the wrong end of his/her body. It is abundantly clear the the Sonics starting center is currently not under contract. Magilore would be great. He is a to 10 with good defensive skills. Whatever it takes to get him, short of Ray, Rashard, Luke and Nick, the Sonics should do. (After re-reading that sentence, it is not particularlly bold.)

Wright would be OK, but nothing special. I wouldn't trade Rad-Man for him unless the Griz sweetened the deal. Salary wise, I don't think that can happen.

Kandi man is JJ all over again. Enticing by flashes of brilliance with long periods of numb-nuts in casaba. And his contract is outrageous. More that JJ got from the Knicks. This is not a solution to our problem.

Valde P is probably our best stop gap choice, He knows the offense, is tough, and give you some offense and grab some rebounds.

Damien Wilkins is a condrumn. What is a guy worth who didn't get off the bench in the regular season and did great in the playoffs? Especially if he is less talented than the players in front of him. He has shown me enough to sign for 5 years, unless the Sonics coaching staff thinks otherwise, but not worth tying up much money. Of course, everyone wants to start but he will make that choice, like Rad-Man will. The Sonics cannot control that. They should offer him what they think he is worth, but don't go out on a salary limb to get it done. As another stated, there are tons of swingmen like Damien and Flip out there. They can be adaquately replaced.

Locke, please give us your two cents on the center situation. Your adoing public is hanging on your word. Can you promise us slavation or damnation next year? :)

Mike Barer said...

I am not that familiar with Wilkens but I think he is at the stage where he should look at what role he would play in each scenario. That way he can increase his value and we can see what he is all about.

AK1984 said...

Yeah, uh, Michael Olowokandi only has one year left on his deal worth $5,949,570; conversely, Jerome James just signed a five-year, $30 million deal with the New York Knicks.

As it is, if the Sonics could sign-&-trade Damien Wilkins and Ronald Murray -- give 'em both 5-year, $15 million contracts -- and send 'em away to Minnesota for Olowokandi, then they ought to do it.

Anonymous said...

If we can't get Wilkins back then I love the thought of bringing Doug Christie in as a defensive minded backup 1,2,or 3. I'm sure he still has a couple good years left in him plus he's allready expressed interest in finishing his career in Seattle. If not, then my second option is Jon Barry. He'd bring a lot of passion to the team plus he's still one of the best 3-point shooters in the league.

AK1984 said...

Do any of you remember what happened back when the Sonics drafted Doug Christie in the 1992 NBA Draft?

As it was, Christie held out -- because he vocally stated that he didn't want to play in Seattle -- until the Sonics traded him and Benoit Benjamin to the Los Angeles Lakers, on the day of the trading deadline (2/23/93), which was one of the best trades in Sonics history.

Anonymous said...

Yes I remember, they were never able to agree to a fair contract & when the negotiations hit a stalemate the Sonics were forced to trade him. But that was 12 years ago & I'm sure both sides have moved on. He recently stated in the newspaper that he would prefer to finish his career in either Sactown or Seattle. I think if you can get him for the right price then it's a good move.

AK1984 said...

Here, in my opinion, is what the Sonics roster should look like come next season:

C: Lorenzen Wright ($7,700,000)
[acq. from Mem. for Fortson/Fehse/Gelabale/Morlende]
PF: Vladimir Radmanovic ($3,166,155)
SF: Rashard Lewis ($8,571,429)
SG: Ray Allen ($13,200,000)
PG: Luke Ridnour ($1,638,000)
C: Michael Olowokandi ($5,949,570)
[acq. from Min. for Wilkins/Murray]
PF: Nick Collison ($1,815,000)
SF: Walter McCarty ($1,035,000)
SG: Jon Barry ($1,138,500)
PG: Rick Brunson ($1,029,873)
C: Robert Swift ($1,764,480)*
C: Johan Petro ($936,600)*
SF: Ndudi Ebi ($803,600)
[acq. from Min. for Wilkins/Murray]
SG: Richie Frahm ($719,373)
PG: Mateen Cleaves ($835,810)^
SG: Ibrahim Kutluay ($1,760,000)~
*NBDL
^Inactive/NBA Player Rep.
~Released
Total Salary: $52,063,390

Scott said...

To save Locke time the amnesty rule doesn't apply to the Sonics and Fortson because its strictly for luxury tax purposes. IT has nothing to do with cap space.

ON the Hornets and Magloire, simple the Hornets don't have any interest in Radmanovich and if they did they would not give up Magloire for him.

Kandi's horrible, no one should want him.

Wilkins for Hoiberg and Ebi would work for me.

Anonymous said...

AK-
I like your roster for the most part, except for McCarty & Barry. They're both too one-dimensional; specializing in 3-point shooting. We allready have plenty of that on the roster so I'd rather go for more athletic,defensive minded players like D.Christie & M. Evans instead.

AK1984 said...

Scott, shooting guard Fred Hoiberg had open-heart surgery earlier this off-season in attempt to repair an enlarged aortic root, and is thereby out for the season. However, if the Sonics tried to obtain shooting guard Trenton Hassell (who is a good on-the-ball defender) and small forward Ndudi Ebi from Minnesota for shooting guard Ronald Murray and small forward Damien Wilkins -- which would allow Kevin McHale/Jim Stack/Dwane Casey to offer Reggie Evans the full mid-level exception -- then the Timberwolves would probably be interested in that deal.

In that case, rather than signing a backup shooting guard -- as Hassell could fill that role -- the Sonics would be in need of a reserve center. Thus, the Sonics could pass on shooting guard Jon Barry, and instead offer center Dale Davis a one-year contract worth $1,138,500.

Also, regarding the amnesty clause: the luxury tax hits at $61.7 million, which is when the amnesty clause would kick in; the Sonics are nowhere near that amount, nor will they ever be.

Anonymous said...

We've all thrown out great ideas for sign & trades as well as free agents the Sonics should get but lets be honest; Sonics management is not creative enough to make most of these things happen. So here's how the roster WILL look next year:

C: Potapenko($2.5 m.)
PF:Radmanovic($7.5 m.)
SF:Lewis($10.7 m.)
SG:Allen($15 m.)
PG:Ridnour($1.6 m.)
C: Swift($1.8 m.)
PF:Collison($1.8 m.)
PF:Fortson($6.2 m.)
SF:Wilkins($3 m.)
PG:Brunson($1 m.)
C: Petro($0.9 m.)
PG:Cleaves($0.5 m.)
SG:Kutluay($0.7 m.)
Total Salary: aprox.$53 million

Nice roster. Will get us another 50 win season & a second round playoff exit but that's about it.

Anonymous said...

Magloire maybe, but Olowakandi has Benoit Benajmin written all over him. And we all know what a great center he was don't we?

Anonymous said...

On that same thought, I think that we should resign Vitaly P. because he is steady, willing to put his body (take a charge and bang), and rebound. If Vlady had some of that, then I wouldn't hesitate to sign him for what he is asking. Vitaly might not have the Magloire number, but if he played decent minutes he could put up some similar numbers. Again he does the little things that don't show up in the stats (and he doesn't commit Jerome-type fouls.

Anonymous said...

If we don't sign Wilkins then bringing in doug Christie would make sense. I think that he had issues with people no longer on the Sonics.

scott said...

AK,

Hoiberg could never play again and it would have little effect on whether I'm willing to make the deal. Hassell has 5 years left at over 23 million dollars, while Hoiberg only has one more year on his contract at 1.4. I believe if you give Ebi the minutes you gave Wilkins last year that he could give you close to the same production as Wilkins did.

Dead right on the amnesty cause, which is why releasing Fortson makes zero sense.

Personally I think the Sonics are going to start Swift at C and he'll be perfectly fine there. He's long, he's put on some size and all they really need him to do is set picks and be an inside presence for 15 minutes a night. What he did in summer league is meaningless because Jack was not trying to get him offensive touches and the refs don't let bigs play physically down there at all. I was pretty happy with what I saw out of him on the games that were on NBA:TV.

pdx said...

Whatever happened to the rumor that Wilkins was going to Portland for big bucks? It's time to admit that was total BS.

AK1984 said...

Alright, Scott, if the Sonics were to get really creative, they could sign-&-trade away Damien Wilkins (5 years, $15 million, with a starting salary of $2.5 million) to the T-wolves for shooting guard Fred Hoiberg ($1,760,000) and small forward Ndudi Ebi ($803,600), along with $1.76 in cash considerations to cover Hoiberg's salary once he's released.

Next, in the same deal, the Sonics could sign-&-trade both power forward Reggie Evans (5 years, $15 million, with a starting salary of $2.5 million) and shooting guard Ronald Murray (5 years, $15 million, with a starting salary of $2.5 million) to the T-wolves for center Michael Olowokandi ($5,949,570) and, so as to cover for just a little more than half of Olowokandi's salary, $3 million in cash considerations.

Okay, sure, Olowokandi isn't that great, but for around 16 minutes a night off of the bench at a cost of $3 million, he isn't that bad of an option. As it is, center Lorenzen Wright ($7,700,000) -- who, perhaps, could be had for power forward Danny Fortson ($6,415,584), the draft rights of power forward Peter Fehse, the draft rights of point guard Paccelis Morlende, the draft rights of small forward Mickael Gelabale, and any number of the Sonics four second-round picks in the next two drafts -- would be a solid possibility for the Sonics as a starter who could play approximately 32 minutes a night in the post.

Anonymous said...

My preference is to bring Wilkins back, but only at the right price. If his demands for $$$ and PT are too high then let him go. The back up plan should be to sign a veteran like Christie to fill that spot for 1 or 2 years until Mickael Gelabale is ready to come over from Europe. He's a very athletic 2/3 who was considered by many experts to be one of the biggest steals in the draft.

Anonymous said...

The Nuggets have expressed a lot of interest in Flip Murray this off-season so what about the possibility of a sign & trade for Nene. He's due to make about $3,000,000 this year which is about the same money Flip would command. We'd probably have to throw in a draft pick but there's been talk that they'd like to move him since they will not be able to keep him anyway when his contract runs out next year because they have so much money tied up in Camby & Martin.

Rafe said...

I think the sonics are playing it smart this off season by not looking to hard for a deal. They need another player to push them over the top but that player is not available by any indications I see. Tyson chandler is the one guy I would really like to see in green and gold, but I don't think he is worth the type of deal that would make the bulls give him up. I think the sonics should resign wilkins and potapenko let flip go or sign and trade him, and try and pick up jon barry or maurice evans. That won't make us champion contender, but better then overreaching and commiting to players who are going to bomb out on us as we have so often before. Devolop the talent you have and wait for better market. I don't think cleveland or Miami really helped themselves as much as people seem to think the have.

KuruptBoi said...

PG: Ridnour, Brunson, Miles
SG: Allen, Murray, Thomas
SF: Lewis, Radmanovic, Thomas
PF: Collison, Evans, Fortson
C: Hunter, Potapenko, Swift, Petro

PG: With Ridnour getting the bulk of the minutes this season, rather than virtually splitting time with Antonio Daniels, the Sonics signed steady career backup Rick Brunson to provide a veteran presence for the second unit. With Ridnour in his third year and the veteran Brunson, the Sonics look to go younger with Aaron Miles, the undrafted free agent out of Kansas, rather than Mateen Cleaves to backup Ridnour or in case of emergency. Miles will eventually overtake Brunson providing the Sonics with two outstanding young PG's.

SG: Allen will continue to play like an all star and Murray will be forced to play second fiddle. Murray provides good scoring off the bench and while he holds the ball a little too much, he compliments the two backup PG's very well. Omar Thomas, out of UTEP, is only a training camp invitee for now, but he has very good skills. He is an offensive demon. He drives fearlessly to the hole and has a good jumper, not to mention he shoots 85% from the FT line. He will need to work on his defense as Damien Wilkins did last season to get PT, but he will be a solid cheap pickup once Damien bolts for either Minnesota or Denver.

SF: Lewis will continue to get better and better, hopefully on his way to a second all star appearance. Radmanovic will continue backing him up and possibly get on the floor with Lewis as well. We all know what each one is capable of doing so there is no need to go into depth here. Omar Thomas can play the SF spot as well if the Sonics would like to go small.

PF: The Crasher, The Collector, and The Enforcer. While none of these guys will be in the all star game any time soon, all three of these players are perfect examples of a Power Forward. Collison will eventually get the starting nod because of his solid all around game. Evans will be back to provide hustle and boarding off the bench. Fortson will get time at PF and C but will be toward the bottom of the depth chart because of his fouling situation.

C: The Sonics needing a starter will likely opt to use some of their mid level exception on Steven Hunter and the rest on Potapenko. Hunter is the more athletic of the two and will run the floor like a cheetah. He is long and can block shots and collect rebounds. His scoring is average but the Sonics have enough scorers. Potapenko will be a solid contributor off the bench, splitting time with Swift. While none of the centers on the roster are the "sexy" picks for center, they will get the job done. There aren't too many good, true centers in the league and it seems every year a teams is paying a big center on potential. Petro will be buried on the bench until he can pick up the NBA game. While his body is ready, he has to get accustomed with how to play here and not in France.

Notes:
Losing Daniels hurt, but all and all I think letting him go for the contract he received was a good idea. The tandem of Brunson and Miles will make up for his loss...and I look for Murray to get more minutes as the first guard off the bench.

Losing James was a good thing. Yes he had 5 good games in the playoffs but how many games did he do nothing over the years and how many times did he hurt the Sonics? The Knicks overpayed for James, as always, so I think letting James go was a good idea.

Losing Wilkins hurts, but whichever team he goes to will overpay for him in both years and money. Wilkins is nothing more than a skilled hustle player. He is a great player off the bench and not a starter. I like Wilkins alot, but to invest around 3 million over 5 years in a player whom barely played last year and is still unproven would not be a good decision. Solid wing players are a dime a dozen and the Sonics always find ways to find good, solid wing players. Omar Thomas will be that player this year...Not to mention next year the Sonics will bring over another proven weapon in Gelabale as well.

I actually like this team better than last years team. Most of it is still intact and the replacements for the departing are as good, if not better. I believe Hunter will be better than Jerome James and Omar Thomas will fill Damien Wilkins role almost identically. I also think the combination of Brunson, Miles and Murray will more than make up for the loss of Antonio Daniels.

While the Sonics didn't exactly set the world on fire with their signing, they did what they needed to do: keep the core together and find adequate replacements without overpaying. While I understand people's gripes about the Sonics being cheap and this and that, do you really want the Sonics overpaying like they did for Jerome James or Jim Mac again? Seriously, the Sonics have a good, talented roster and don't have one bad contract on the books. Every one of the players on the roster above will contribute. This is a team, not a collection of stars. The Sonics have two stars and a good collection of talented starters and role players. I see this team making the playoffs once again and possibly going even deeper this year, even with the loses in the offseason.

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merritt said...

I love Abdur-Rahim's game, always have, but he has the stink on him. The stink of losing.

Anonymous said...

There is a lot of great comments here ... mainly concerning Damien. kuruptboi has many good thoughts but I think y'all are missing what I think is an important part of bball and although you call it hustle - I call it passion.
And Damien, Reggie and Fortson all express that on the floor and that is great for both the team and us viewers. Yes there is passion throughout the league - Iverson, Genobli, Patterson and many others.
Sure Paul, Rashard, Nick and Luke will show some "passion" but they are skilled and "cool". Nothing wrong with skilled coolness but what's important is what I call passion.
(Hey remember Shawn? That was passion too.)
As far as Damien getting a 5 year contract at $3mill a year - that's a Bargain ... I do believe in his capability and think that he will be worth much more in a few years and $3mill will be too little.

Myk said...

Hey Black,
How can Dominque be an all-time top 50 player and not even be in the HOF =)

I actually agree I don't see Wilkins being such a big dollar player. Especially in year 4 or 5 if he improves his 3million will be an even smaller % of the salary cap (assuming it goes up each year)

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Sonic EJ said...

The Sonics need to jump all over the Reef situation.

Give the Blazers a pick or whatever they want.

Diezel said...

Aaron Miles sucks!!! I have been watching the kid play since high school since he was from oregon. At Kansas he couldn't make a shot to save his life. Just remember the National title game against Cuse' when Billy Edelin and G Mac handled him pretty well.

With a bench of Ric Brunson and Damien you have no offense at all. What ever happened to this Marcus Brown guy from Europe. I know there aren't alot of peeps to agree with me but instead of Damien why not go and try to get one of the Amnesty guys who got cut like Derick Anderson or Sonic Killa himself Nickey V baby, Love his game and if luke is strugling in the Playoffs Nick can come in and light it up. He has had so many big games in the playoffs it would be a huge pickup to get Nick the Quick.

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Lance Uppercut said...

Neither Derek Anderson or Van Exel are coming to Seattle. Both are going to command more than the Sonics are willing to give, and trust me, that's a good thing for Sonic fans. DA, especially, is horrible. Van Exel is bound and determined to play somewhere in or very close to Texas.

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Anonymous said...

Damien Wilkins:

Pros:
-Can hit the open three
-Is a good defensive player
-Is athletic enough to attack the basket
-Isn't affected by big game situations
-Perfect 6th man

Cons:
-Small sample size (anyone remember Austin Croshere playing lights out in the playoffs)
-Seems like he wants out
-Not a great ball handler
-Not a true shooting guard or small forward

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Anonymous said...

Derek Anderson was going through some tough times in his personal life and had to have counseling for some psychological problems. I think a change of scenery and positive vibes with Ray and Co. could just be what he needs. Bring him in for a look/see.

Anonymous said...

Derek Anderson was going through some tough times in his personal life and had to have counseling for some psychological problems. I think a change of scenery and positive vibes with Ray and Co. could just be what he needs. Bring him in for a look/see.

Anonymous said...

Derek Anderson was going through some tough times in his personal life and had to have counseling for some psychological problems. I think a change of scenery and positive vibes with Ray and Co. could just be what he needs. Bring him in for a look/see.

Anonymous said...

D Wilks is a good player but he only played limited minutes. the only place I see as a fit is where his uncle played for and that's the horrible Atlanta Hawks.

Anonymous said...

D Wilks is a good player but he only played limited minutes. the only place I see as a fit is where his uncle played for and that's the horrible Atlanta Hawks.

Anonymous said...

Sorry about the reapeats, computer is hitting a snag

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Miche Mydvecht said...

I think Doug Christie would be good because he has property here and he wants to play here and show it off for the home fans. Remember that when you sign him, you basically sign the whole family though.

Myche Mydvecht said...

Also he played for the Lakers and that would bring some positives to the team.

Sonic EJ said...

How long is it going to take before a team steps up and offers Eddie Curry a contract.

The Hawks don't count.

Why worry about the money being tied up for a week if you are not going to spend it anyway?

Anonymous said...

Cons:
-Small sample size (anyone remember Austin Croshere playing lights out in the playoffs)
-Seems like he wants out
-Not a great ball handler
-Not a true shooting guard or small forward

"I don't agree w/ your cons, but you're right on with the pros. That alone shows you he should be retained."

Con #1 is a fact.

Con #2 seems like a fact, he's been flirting with Portland and the T'Wolves and wants to start.

Con#3 You think he's a "great" ball handler? He's not as bad as Vladimir but he's not Ridnour either.

Con#4 is a fact. There is a reason why he wasn't drafted. He's one of those guys alot like Trenton Hassell who don't have a true position.

He doesn't do anything outstanding, but he doesn't do anything "great" either.

Anonymous said...

That last comment was supposed to read.

He doesn't do anything outstanding, but he doesn't have any glaring weaknesses.

Honkie Tonkie said...

If you're thinking about signing DA, make sure his physical includes a dental exam. He missed a lot of games last season with tooth problems.

Sonic EJ said...

If the Sonics sign Vlade to the one year tender only to lose him for nothing in a year, I'm going to light my Sonics jersey on fire!

He is our thrid best player and we can't lose him for nothing!

Either Vlade or Rashard has to go.

Sign and trade for anyone who is not a small forward.

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Sonic EJ said...

Anyone want to make a trade or something?

The sonics have gone all summer without doing anything to improve.

How can the sonics get better?

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Sonic EJ said...

Done!

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Diezel said...

anybody who thought getting rid of JJ was a bad idea just read John hollingers column about the worst off-season signings he said Kandi man was a better center than JJ ouch. Like Rashard said a few weeks back JJ if u don't come to play I guarantee in NYC you'll be getting booed, killed in the papers and now they have Kellerman, Steven A. Smith, and Mike and The Madd DOgg no soft sports talk like in Seattle.

JJ you will get ripped. The afternoons on kjr are so damn boring do any real sports fan give a rats a** about Horse Racing and Nascar. I need to write a letter to Mr. Mays at Clear Channel cuz Groz and Gas have to be killing kjr 's ratings.

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Miche Mydvecht said...

I think the Sonics are talking to Doug Christie's people.

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Diezel said...

The best thing about bringing Doug Christie back to seattle is that if there was ever a throwdown Jackie Christie would be right there with her Louis bag ready to knock a mo fo out!!!!

The best ppv ever would have been a tag team match of Jackie and Doug vs. Rick Fox and Vanessa Willams.

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Anonymous said...

I agree, Groz & Gas are borring as hell ! They waste a lot of time talking about stuff we don't really care about. Their limited knowledge about the local teams is pretty sad. Softy & Locke are the only KJR hosts that are both passionate & knowledgeable about the local sports scene. I'd also love to see John Clayton get a regular weekday show.

AK1984 said...

Look, Dave Grosby and Mike Gastineau appeal to the average, ill-informed Seattle sports fan. Their niche, sadly, is to appease the doltish masses.

Of course, in general, Seattle is littered with vapidity; the city is inhabited by naive idiots who know nothing about everything.

As it is, though, Steve Sandmeyer, Dave Mahler, Dick Fain, David Locke, and John Clayton come across as the truly knowledgable sports commentators.

Personally, when it comes to afternoon radio, I'd rather listen to someone who's entertaining like B.J. Shea; however, Shea is, without a shadow of a doubt, arrogantly ignorant regarding many political, sports, and gender issues.

Actually, the only reason I listen to The B.J. Shea Show is because R.R. is amusin' as all hell and "Top Shelf" does well in the sidekick role; the best shows, in all reality, are the ones in which Shea is on vacation.

Miche Mydvecht said...

I think that Gas is one the KJR's best voices. Mitch is the best interviewer. David Locke is the best journalist.

DOGNUTZZZZZZZZZ said...

2 LIVE STEWS on 790 THE ZONE in atlanta are by far the best sports talk radio hosts in the country. "If ya don't know now ya know, n****."

Diezel said...

Ak... I couldn't agree with u more about those two losers groz and gas being a younger guy in my 20's i don't want to hear these two fat drunken blowhards talk about this non relevant crap!!!! Who really cares about Nascar except for some guy up in Everett listening in his trailer, sipping on a PBR.

The program director should be fired any smart person who has a clue, would know that u put your best personalities on in the mid-day shift. I think Locke and Mitch could be good together but both of there Ego's are so big Kobe and Shaq would get along better.

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Anonymous said...

black,

I heard sir Mix a lot on the show and not only does he have good knowledge of sports, he even had some funny stories to tell like the time he and his buddies who got cut from Roosevelt beat up Hugh Millen!!!LOL

Diezel said...

Yo black.... U ever watch 2 live stew on espn2??? How about Locke and Funkmaster Flex together??? or Ray Roberts he's an occasional host or Greg Lewis or my favorite KJR personality over Locke is my main prep man Francis Willams get him on. Fire that fata*** GROZ. I am on a mission to get that fat drunk off the air, the arrogant A hole I have seen him in public and the guy thinks he's the Sh**. Trust me you fat ugly mo fo, your not all that.

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Anonymous said...

You sure are one ignorant person.

It's so sad and funny at the same time.

You should start a blog of your own and comment on it.

About 4 posts in you'd accuse yourself of being racist...until you realized you were of course...calling yourself racist.

Please, man. Do it.

I'm sick of having to wade through the crappy posts.

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Anonymous said...

Wow, and your dumb as well.

Ignorant and dumb, nice combination.

Translation = Stop posting.

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Anonymous said...

Steven Hunter is a Stiffly Stifferson.

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Anonymous said...

I eat pieces of shit for breakfast!!

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Anonymous said...

GAS IS A FAT PIECE OF SHIT!!!

Anonymous said...

LOCKE -

What is the latest on the Sonics ? I haven't heard anything in about a week. Can you give us the latest on:

1. The Radmanovic negotiations
2. The rest of our restricted FA
3. The center situation