We just had Mike Harmon on Yahoo Sports on 950, KJR about the trade deadline.
Here is a quick summation of what he said.
1) That Jamie Moyer has been approached about waiving his 10/5 rights. The Yankees and the Rangers are the suitors.
2) The Carl Pavano for Randy Winn and Joel Pineiro trade has heated up again.
3) He believes the Mariners should get something done and that Winn is the most likely to be moved.
4) The Red Sox have gotten involved in the Randy Winn talks.
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I would trade Pineiro and Winn in a heart beat, I don't care if they are offering a bag of balls for them. The benefit of getting Pineiro's bloated contract off the ledger would be huge. Not to mention that he brings no fire to the game at all. I'm going to throw up if I here him say "I felt good out there" or "I was a little to fine" or "I only threw a couple of bad pitches" ever again. You only have 4 quality starts this year Joel and 9 times out of 10 you get shelled if that doesn't make you angry, then you don't belong in the majors.
Pavano sucks!! Another RHP with limited velocity..
Pinero for Ryan Howard (or in a Dunn deal).
Winn for Sean Henn
Why would you take on Pavano's salary?
Dunn and Sexson are interesting hitters.. They both strike out a lot, true.. But look at their on base percentage. These guys are productive. It's just that when they make an out, they make it with flair!
Joel Pineiro, sadly, sucks at baseball. His arm motion is that of a player throwing hurt, and his velocity is now in the 88-89 mph range, which is flat-out horrid for a power pitcher. Even worse, though, is that he's due approximately $6.3 million next year in salary, so sending him away for even just a pseudo-prospect (e.g., Ryan Howard), would be a good move in that the M's would have more financial room to sign free-agents in the off-season because of it.
Right now, there are four guys in Tacoma who are deserving of being starters moreso than the folks already in the M's rotation; thus, Felix Hernandez, Bobby Livingston, Jorge Campillo, and Cha Seung Baek each should be given a look during the final two months of the season, while Pineiro, Ryan Franklin, Aaron Sele, and Gil Meche -- who, too, is suffering from arm problems -- ought to be traded, or, in the case of Sele and Franklin, DFA'd.
That Manny deal makes absolutely no sense. So let me get this straight. The Red Sox are going to trade Manny and 2-3 of their top prospects for Mike Cameron, and Aubrey Huff? You have gotta be kidding me. The Mets get Manny and Dany Baez for Mike Cameron and two prospects that is an absolute steal.
I can understand trading Winn for prospects, but not for Pavano. I definitely wouldn't include Pineiro in the deal. Trade Pineiro in a different deal. I heard the Phillies are interested in him.
I heard the Astros are interested in Villone. Who really cares where these guys get traded. Just make sure you get the best deal for them.
I live in SF. Foppert stinks. Great the M's acquired a RHP who already has arm problems. Saves him from getting hurt in our system.. A guy who used to have nasty stuff, but has suffered a dramatic loss in velocity? Isn't this Meche?
Torealba is a backup hitting .226. His career average is like .250. Great move Bavasi.. 0-1 this trading season.
Is Jaime Moyer next? He should be. Is he really going to be in our plans in the next 2 years? He has some value...now is the time to act!
Olivo's next.. and right he sucks.. i get it..
but..
this WAS the main piece in the Garcia deal when that trade is made. The next year we trade him for a backup catcher... in AAA...
what!!!!!!!!!!! Olivo had a better average in AAA and doesn't make any money.. send him down. at least he's still a prospect.. other teams have guys they olivo'd (patterson, e jackson) but they don't give them away..
bavasi is a joke of a gm. i want to see one player he acquires via trade on this roster in 3 years..
no i dont think reed and morse will be on the roster.. and lets be fair. fontaine and evans have strong ties to the white sox organization. they acquired these players..
bavasi can't make a trade.. period.. 1 week ago the pads traded two top prospects for a journeyman 3B (randa).
Bavasi has no given away:
Olivo
Boone
Aurilla
Olerud
Granted none of these guys are great. But all should get you some type of return.
Unfortunately I think we have our next GM (Dan Evans) in the front office. He sucks too..
Oh well. I watched this team in the late 80's. God bless my lousy M's, and thank God for Dave Neihaus!
ojeda wasn't hitting .200 in san diego and he wasn't hitting .200 in portland..
Great move!
Alright, at any rate, the Seattle Mariners trading of Randy Winn(.275/.342/.391; $3,750,000), 31, to the San Francisco Giants for catcher Yorvit Torrealba (.226/.301/.344; $715,000), 27, and starting pitcher Jesse Foppert (AAA: 3-1, 4.50; $52,600), 25, was a decent deal.
In any case, the reasons as to why the aforementioned deal is decent includes the following: 1. Once the ten-day recallment-moratorium passes, the Mariners can call-up left fielder Chris Snelling (MLB: .222/.417/.333; MLB: $316,000), 23; 2. It rids the Mariners' 2006 payroll of $5,000,000, with a possible $125,000 in performance-based incentives (650 plate appearances), in salary, which Winn will now receive in San Franciso; 3. It gives the Mariners a former top-prospect in Foppert, who was a major force prior to his Tommy John surgery in 2003; & 4. Torrealba is a damn good defensive catcher who can back-up catcher Wiki Gonzalez (MLB: .350/.350/.550; $2,250,000), 31 -- who is, undeniably, defenisvely inept -- for the remainder of the season.
Okay, the worst part regarding catcher Miguel Ojeda (MLB: .137/.232/.205; $325,000), 30, is the fact that he's under contract through 2007; Ojeda is slated to earn $350,000 next season and $500,000, with a $25,000 buyout option, in 2007.
Instead of acquiring Ojeda, the M's should've just shipped off catcher Miguel Olivo (MLB: .151/.172/.276; $400,000), 27, to San Diego for only relief pitcher Natanael Mateo (AA: 3-4, 3.08), 24, who is a quasi-prospect with good velocity and command (95-97 m.p.h.), but only throws one good pitch (four-seam fastball). At any rate, though, catcher Rene Rivera (MLB: .364/.382/.545; $316,000), 22, would've been a way better option behind the plate than Ojeda.
As it is, here are my projections for the guys that the Mariners acquired:
Yorvit Torrealba -- He will adequately back-up Wiki Gonzalez for the remainder of the 2005 season, and will then not be offered arbitration in the upcoming off-season.
Jesse Foppert -- In the same vain as Roger Salkeld, Ken Cloude, Ryan Anderson, Jeff Heaverlo, Gil Meche, Joel Pineiro, et al., Foppert will not return to his pre-injury form, nor will he ever be a successful major league pitcher; instead, he'll have a long career as a journyman starter and/or long-reliever at triple-AAA.
Miguel Ojeda -- For the remainder of 2005, he'll suck as Ryan Christianson's backup. In 2006, he'll such as reserve catcher for the M's, while Rene Rivera starts; he'll be bought-out at the end of the 2006 season.
Natanael Mateo -- He'll continue to perform serviceably at the double-AA level; yet, as he progresses, his inability to mix pitches and his advanced age at this stage of his career will greatly hinder him. Ultimately, he'll be nothing more than a journyman reliever who'll rack up innings in middle relief at triple-AAA.
Regarding Joel Pineiro: The Mariners ought to place him on revocable waivers, and hope that some doltish team claims him; it would, if nothing else, clear $6.3 million in salary off of the organization's books for next season.
Also, there are reports that Felix Hernandez is scheduled to start for Seattle this upcoming Thursday in Detroit. As it is, the Mariners will have to purchase Hernandez's contract from Tacoma in one of the coming days and place him on both the 40-man and 25-man rosters, while they simultaneously designate Aaron Sele (last 7 starts: 0-7, 10.32 ERA) for assignment, with the eventual purpose of giving him his unconditional release, to clear roster space.
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