Do the Mariners have any plan at all? It sure doesn’t feel that way. Here is what the plan seems to be. Bavasi and his boys are in the office and they are saying “Hey lets bring up all of these shortstops and then we will throw them around the diamond and see which one plays the best.” “Hey let’s bring up three different catchers and then we let each of them play and little but we will let a 42 year play the most.”
Any reasonable decent organization would know which one of these guys is the guy that they believe is going to be the shortstop or catcher of their club. Good organizations don’t have tryouts at the big league level. That is what the minor leagues are for, to evaluate and know your talent. That should know the guy who is going to play SS and who is the catcher.
They are talking about Betancourt that he reminds them of an Omar Vizquel.If that is true then why is he possibly being moved to second base. Moreover, the idea that he can go play second for one night at Tacoma and then be ready to come to the big leagues and play second sounds like the biggest seat of your pants disorganization miss run garbage. It is laughable. Let me quote Hargrove directly “Jose is a good player and he's going to get better," Hargrove said. "It's just that sometimes the big-league level is not the best place to work on your game." So why then is a SS working himself into a 2B at the big league level Have a plan. Have an idea. Have an intention.
You can’t ask kids to come to the big adjust to a new high-pressure life and oh by the way would you please learn a new position while you are at it. This is absurd. Who is the SS of the future? Which guy do you think can catch? They should know, they should have decided It makes you wonder if there is any plan at all.
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I think what Hargrove was getting at was that you shouldn't work out your hitting problems at the big league level. Betencourt should have no problem with 2b.
I don't think the M's are as sold on Morse as all of Seattle is. He was thought of as a limited prospect when the year started, and as the year progresses I think he is proving to be a prospect with limited power and limited range.
But he's got intangibles. He seems to be a leader. He's got good plate discipline. So I don't think the M's are ready to give up on him yet. They could send him down and let him develop, but that would be a public relations nightmare.
Bentancourt is going to be in the M's lineup next year. He's head over heals better defensively than Morse. And if neither has power, than there is no other reason to go with Mike..
I think the M's want to try them together though.. See if they have chemistry. You hear of organizations pairing young DP combo's together all the time. The pair can develop together. You can't send Morse down right now, so they brought Betancourt up. I think their view is that Bentancourt can make the switch to 2B easier than Morse, because he's more skilled defensively. I think they view this as a lost season. If they had their druthers, they'd pair these two together at AAA, but because Morse is already here, they're attempting to audition in Seattle..
Morse should not be a LF. You need power in the OF. Choo in Tacoma is the guy I think is going to end up there next year.
Locke, I do not wnat to see this but could the M's be showcasing either Lopez or Betancourt. I know it sounds stupid but in light of recent decisions to NOT play young guys, send down Chris Snelling, and continue to carry a catcher older than Noah, what else could explain their goofy thought process?
Tony
The M's need to see what they have, so they can see if they need to spend $$ in the offseason. They did it last year at 3B. They weren't impressed with Lopez. I think they are sold on Benancourt but not Morse.. They're trying them together to see what they do against ML pitching.. It's a 2 month tryout to decide if they need to spend millions in the winter.
So if Betancourt ends up sticking, what then happens to Lopez??? All I've been hearing for the past few years is how good Lopez is sposed to be, and now he's almost an aftertought. What the heck are the M's going to do with Morse, Lopez, Betancourt, Tuisasospo, and Jones??
The M's keep telling us that they are all so good. I'm fearing that this is going to be like when they kept telling us that Nagoette, Blackley, Pinero, Thornton, Anderson were all top of the rotation guys.
I think the M's have done a really good job of fooling us all into thinking that their minor league system is better than it is. Quite frankly, I think it blows. Compare it to Oakland. Look at all the guys they've turned out. Who the heck have the M's produced from their system since Arod and Griffey??? Unless they pick #1 they are screwed.
I think what hurt them the most was trading away Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe for freaking Heathcliff Slocumb. They've been petrified ever since to deal prospects. So they end up keeping them and they never develop.
I think the big question here is why the M's can't develop players. Is it because they don't get good players or is it that they do get good players and can't develop them. Either the scouting department or minor league coaching is to blame here, maybe both.
And why is it that just about every freaking top level prospect they have ends up missing a year or two due to a big injury??? What are they doing to these guys? Sheesh.
And what's with all the middle infielders and weak hitting outfielders???
Is it too much to ask to draft a couple of power hitting outfielders???
Bavasi sucks.. But the M's are missing to obvious things:
LH power pitcing
LH power bats
Their bullpen is good now, but we've got tons of young RH bullpen arms (Neogotte, Soriano, Mateo, Putz, Atchison). Madritsch is a 2 pitch pitcher with the makeup to pitch outta the pen. Sherrill is tough on lefties..
What about these trades?
Guadardo for Corey Patterson- Patterson's been Olivo'd to Iowa.. A LH power hitting CF with speed to cover Safeco. Who doesn't think the Coubs wanna closer.
Nelson & Olivo for Edwin Jackson and Dioner Navaro- Dodgers are still in the race without a C at the major league level.. The M's have ties to the Dodgers front office (Evans and Bavasi). Jackson is a LHP (power pitcher) who's been Olivo'd to AA. Navaro is another guy to try at C here.
Villone for John Lester- Boston LHP is a Puyallup native, and ready to pitch in the bigs.
Winn for Henn- I actually think this deal is close to being done..
Above all try to trade for Adam Dunn. A LH OF with a small contract. The Reds have been interested in Mateo before.. Package him with a Meche/Pinero to pry the slugger away from Cinn.
Why do the M's even have Snelling, Choo, and Strong???
They are weak hitting outfielders, and as long as Ichiro and Reed are out there they have no place on the big club.
WE NEED A POWER HITTING OUTFIELDER!!!
Reed sucks..
.270 2 HR 2 SB
What the heck is that??
Choo's actually got some pop in his bat.. He'll be ready in a year!
What about moving Ichiro to the 3 hole and letting Snelling lead off? Ichiro's supposed to have pop. Put him in a run producing spot in the order and lets see!!
I would trade for Dunn in a hearbeat. Only thing is I hear that the A's are after him. That would be so typical. Man do I hate the bleeping Oakland A's.
Why would LA trade Edwin Jackson, their top pitching prospect for Jeff Nelson, an old reliever whose a free agent at the end of the year, and Miguel Olivo, who is looking like he kinda sucks a lot? That would never happen. Why don't we trade Scott Spiezio for Dallas McPherson while we're at it.
What about
Moyer/Pinero for Ryan Howard..
Howard's old for a prospect, but he's still a LH Power bat.. Moyer's from Phil. They need LHP. Perhaps they'll overpay.. The only reason I'd give up Pinero is his salary next year.. Didn't they have a scout at the game yesterday?
Jackson's in AA now.. They've soured on him.. Hammerhead and others have passed him by.. Olivo is a prospect who has soured here.. Perhaps they have = value at this point. They've also been scouting Nelson
If Ichiro tries to hit hrs he'd end up hitting .270. That's a stupid idea. And while he does have more pop than he shows, he's not what the M's need. They need a Richie Sexson in the outfield. If you have that, then the other two guys can be weak hitting guys who hit for average. When you have 3 weak hitting of's you suck. Just think if they had another guy like Sexson right now. I know it's ridiculous and would never happen, but I'd like to get Manny Ramirez.
Reed might suck. If this is all he ever turns out to be, boy what a crap trade that was. Yuck. Hopefully though Reed can learn to hit for a better average, Olivo can remember how to hit, and Morse hasn't already used up his 15 minutes. I am kinda scared that none of these guys will ever really click for this team.
I wouldn't mind trading for Howard. But I fear trading for any unproven prospects at this point. No matter where they come from or how good they are sposed to be, the M's seem to muck up all the potentially good prospects they ever get their hands on.
Can we fire the entire minor league scouting, development, and coaching system and start over?
Ichiro's not gonna hit .270 no matter where he is.. But drop him in the order, take a slight dip in average for more power.. We're told he has power.. Step up Ichiro!! How many top of the order guys do we need in this system?
Sexson in LF? Trade a good glove 1B for a poor fielding LF? Good move!
Fire Bavasi!
Choo has pop? I don't think so.
I'm getting tired of the M's signing weak hitting asian and australian players. This isn't cricket. Geez.
And they did it again. Just yesterday they signed some Taiwanese guy or something.
Just because an Asian guy owns the team doesn't mean we have to have an entire team of weak hitting asian players!!! Ichiro is rare. Stop trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice!!!
Yes, those Aqua Sox jersies are awful. Yeesh.
David Locke has a huge head.
Eddie is old, and we got two closers in the system..
Patterson has potential to be a 30-30 guy.. He's kinda built to play on this M's team.. A classic underachiever.. But that's where we are.. Acquiring guys like this..
The two guys the M's should look at from Boston are Lester and Soppach..
Choo can play.. See him in Tacoma.. The guy has 5 tool skills..
What is it with the dramatic loss in velocity of all M's SP's? Garcia (when he was here) used to throw 97mph. When he left he was at like 91mph. Meche used to throw 97. He also is lucky to hit 91 now.. Pinero used to throw 92-93. Is he toping out at 89-90 now?
On Gas's Manny fixation:
Convo's begin and end with Beltre.. He's kinda a bust. He's doing exactly what he did in LA minus last year, so there's no reason to believe he's really the Beltre of 2004. The Beltre salary would help compensate for Rameriez's $$. The Sox's would still have to send money this way though.
I think the guys we want are Lester and Soppach.. Rameriez and Sanchez are both RHP.. We've got 56 of them.
Sorry your right.. And we don't have enough SS's or RH hitters
we need a guy to sit in that spot for 3 years.. I think the M's have enough talent that if they handle this deadline right, they can win soon.. You don't sit and wait for Clement if you want to be successful right away
Blow this organization up!
Lincoln, Bavasi...gone! Bring in someone like Bob Whitsitt. He has experience running a pro basketball and football team. Maybe give him a try at baseball. Three's a charm!
What a disaster that would be! Can you imagine?
How about bringing in Lou as president? He could still be in Tampa for most of the year. A baseball guy running a baseball team. What an idea!
ichiro is the exception to the rule. most asian position players don't pan out. since ichiro came there's been a ton of asian players signed by teams. and the only one to be any good was hideki matsui. the rest have been busts. the numbers don't lie.
I AGREE. ICHIRO IS FINE, BUT EVERY PLAYER FROM ASIA ISN'T GOING TO BE THE SAME.
Looks like Manny Ramirez might be heading to the Mets.
As for the Gasman's fascination with the M's trading for Manny. 1st, it was stupid because the M's would never take on salary like that. 2nd, I wanted to break my radio listening to the idiot gasman and the callers talk about trading Beltre or Ichiro for Manny. The Mets might get Manny for Mike Cameron!!! Manny's deal is so huge that it won't take much to get him. Taking on the contract is almost enough. Manny was placed on waivers last year!!!
Man the Gasman sure is ignorant to the stuff he's sposed to be an expert about. That's why I like Locke. He might be annoying, but the guy knows his stuff. Same with Mitch. By far the 2 most knowledgable guys on KJR. The rest just hoot and holler and make a lot of noise. The only crap Gas knows is NASCAR and horse racing, two things I could give a crap about.
Gasman is an idiot. Did you hear him ripping Ichiro for trying to sound intelligent? Go watch NASCAR ya big oaf.
Only Lou Piniella could make this franchise work and I think that he be only manager to ever leave here a success.
Nowadays you need a Brown man for your coach so that he can relate to the majority of players on the team. Brown guys (blacks, hispanics, asians) don't take white coaches or managers seriously, they are dinosaurs from a time when the white superiority complex ran rampant in this nation. Now white america is realizing that not only are they not superior, but in most cases severly inferior to the brown man( or the true HUE-MAN).
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