Player +/-
Allen 0
Cleaves -2
Fortson -4
Evans -4
Flip -6
Potapenko -6
Collison -7
Petro -11
Wilkins -19
Vlady -20
Rashard -21
Ridnour -23
SUMMARY: What jumps out is Allen's 0. That means when Allen was off the floor the Sonics were outscored by 26 points and when he was on the floor they were even. Ridnour's -23 is disturbing. The Sonics are asking him to be solid everynight and that is a huge next step in his career.
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These plus / minus ratings are terrible generally but even worse than they appear for some because it is only the +/- earned in just a short amount of time on the floor. If you project this data over 48 minutes for each player to standardize them for comparison they look like this:
R Murray -36.0
N Collison -16.8
D Fortson -17.5
M Cleaves -5.1
D Wilkins -45.6
V Radmanovic -48.0
L Ridnour -38.1
V Potapenko -21.3
R Allen 0.0
R Evans -10.7
J Petro -58.7
R Lewis -28.8
There is some minor rounding error but this is what it looks like when you lose by 25. In the raw +/ no one was above -23 but in fact on average the Sonics were -25, so some were -20ish and others were
-40 to -50ish so when you average them that is how you get to -25 in the boxscore.
Bottom line is these players need to understand their roles. Evans should never try to create his own offense and Lewis only getting 4 shots in the second half is horrible. Unfortunately a lot of this falls on the coach. He needs to put the hammer down and get his rotation set. Collison entering the game in the second quarter is inexcusable.
I don't know about you guys but I think that the Supes should think about trading Luke for Nate Robinson. Both are number 1's but Nate brings an energy and Moxie that Luke lacks most of the time. Luke is talented but he doesn't know how to create his own shots. Most of the time he is looking to pass the ball and stays out on the perimeter a lot. Nate at least forces the other guard to guard him because he can either pull up for the J or drive it inside without fear. That is the kind of point guard that the Sonics would be successful with because he causes defenses to not cheat on him and would leave our shooters open. Throw in Murray too while you're at it.
Myk, I agree with you - Vlade needs to be on the court for 30 minutes at a minimum. He creates so many mismatches while spreading the floor. A majority of the success they had last year was with Vlade on the floor. I'm very suspicious about management and his playing time. For him to play less than 20 minutes in all 3 games is strange.
The loss of AD is really hurting this team. The Sonics decided not to spend some $$ and get a veteran back-up point - which in turn leaves a glarring hole.
MYK says:
"I really hope you dont think that it would be smart to trade Luke for Nate Robinson. For all of his defficiencies at least Luke has proven he is somewhat capabale to play in the league as a starter. Nate Robinson is a 10 minute per game energy player.
If Nate had played his College Ball at Purdue or anywhere but UW no one in Seattle would think he is nearly as good as his current rep. "
Luke Ridnour would not be a starting point gaurd on any other team in the NBA, and certainly not on a playoff contending team. Luke plays for the sonics because he's from Blaine WA, PERIOD.
The sonics made a decision before the begining of last year to play Luke because they were coming off a terrible season played in an empty arena and they needed a marketing gimmick to get people to pay to see them play, and the white boy from washington fit the bill (I even saved some of the emails I recieved from the Sonics sales team promoting him as they tried to get me to renew my season tickets). They got lucky in that a lot of things meshed last year (Rashard stepped his game up, Allen stayed healthy all season, Fortson provided some muscle that helped get them off to the good start, etc.), AD played almost all the crunch time minutes and masked how poor Ridour really was. Ridour had a bad +/- most of the year and was not in the most productive lineup combinations (snuck in to the third best 3 man combo periodically throughout the season, but wasn't consistant).
Basically Luke can run a fast break, and thats it. I can't make an open shot, cant run a half court offense, can't play team or individual defense. He should have been benched in favor of AD during the playoffs (I also have an email from a local reporter who asked Nate if we would consider starting AD over luke during the playoffs - Nates answer was no because he didn't want to ruin Luke for the future.)
Bottom line is they got lucky last year. Wally is still wally and he still cant make a correct decison. they underestimated AD's impact, overrated Luke's abilities, and made a terrible mistake.
Trade for Nate Robinson - hell they do better than Luke by signing Will Conry as a free agent. Hell, they could do better than luke with Sue Bird running the point, at least she can shoot.
WE want Nate Robinson!!!!!!!
Kirk Hinrich = John Stockton
Luke Ridnour = Bobby Hurley
Diezel, your trade proposals make no sense. Plus, Vladimir Radmanovic cannot be traded elsewhere; the Supersonics are stuck with him throughout the rest of the season.
MYK:
- "Are you joking? I would really like to see the number of fans who really care that Luke is from Blaine, WA."
Well, simply count how many #8 jerseys you see in the crowd next time you're at the key, I think you'll be surprised. What surprises me most is how many people I see wearing those jerseys that aren't teenage girls. Also you obviously were not part of the hard core sales pitch last year and this year. I have probably a dozen emails from this past off season where I went back and forth with their sales staff who were telling me at the end of last year 'we don't have ray signed, we don't have nate signed, but hey come and see luke.' I'd post some of them here but unfortunatly I cant get into my private email account on my work computer - they're actually quite funny 'the next steve nash', 'the local kid thats going to be an allstar' etc.
MYK:
- So the Sonics made a big mistake by not signing AD? Im not sure I understand that logic. If you are going to rip on Luke for his poor play look up ADs numbers so far this year.
Irrelevant point, different system, different players, differenet coach, and different role. I'd rather look at what he did last year than what he's doing in washington. I'll trust my eyes over stats. Plus what stat covers his peremiter defense? His late game poise? (how 'bout sonics w/l?). We all saw what he brought to the table last year.
- Finally, isn't there a point that all the Wally bashing just becomes a pointless practice. Everyone in Seattle understands that he has made bad moves. Yet no one seems to give him credit for successfully getting out from under every one of those moves.
You're right, I don't give him any credit for getting out from under those moves, i give rick sund all the credit in the world for fixing wally's mistakes, especially dumping baker off on Boston. So I guess if i had to give hin credit for anything it would be giving his GM roll to rick. Luke just has Wally's finger prints all over it.
Luke plays because the front office wants him to, not because of his basket ball abilities. His shot is terrible, his defense is worse. He cant drive the lane because he's not strong enough (what did he do this off season, besides jam against the darkness? - ever heard of a weight room?). He has one ability, to run a fast break. Freddie Jones is the reason he's even in the NBA, all he had to do at Oregon was throw it at the rim and let FJ go get it.
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